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Fingerprints can be hacked

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Re: Fingerprints can be hacked

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> It should be fine for people who have nothing to hide. There are no people that have nothing to hide. There are only people that don't know what they should be hiding.

Just a clumsy way of saying "not within my threat matrix"

I would rephrase it as a paradigm of the phrase they are or going to be the sucker at the poker table and don't know about it.

Re: Fingerprints can be hacked

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My favorite photograph of a fingerprint is when the Chaos Computer Club reproduced the German Foreign ministers fingerprint from a photo. So much for military grade security. https://www.dw.com/en/german-defense-minister-von-der-leyens... - The core problems with biometrics are that: 1) Not revokable (unlike compromised credentials) 2) Not a secret 3) Usually trivial to reproduce and spoof (even "liveliness" tests)

How would liveliness be faked?

Re: Fingerprints can be hacked

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My favorite photograph of a fingerprint is when the Chaos Computer Club reproduced the German Foreign ministers fingerprint from a photo. So much for military grade security. https://www.dw.com/en/german-defense-minister-von-der-leyens... - The core problems with biometrics are that: 1) Not revokable (unlike compromised credentials) 2) Not a secret 3) Usually trivial to reproduce and spoof (even "liveliness" tests)

How would liveliness be faked?

A common attack is a thin fake fingerprint you put on your actual (alive) finger.

Re: Fingerprints can be hacked

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wait it's based on birth month/year/place? is there an algorithm to generate it or something?

There's not quite an "algorithm"; SSN's are so short (it's just a 9-digit number, so max 1 billion unique SSNs) that they have a very simple procedure for assigning them. The Social Security Administration explains it here: https://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html - The first set of three digits is called the Area Number - The second set of two digits is called the Group Number - The final set of four digits is t…

Doesn’t guessing someone’s SSN require that you need to know the numbers and assignments of some more people (who obtained it) in the same location and around the same time period? If someone tells you their name and that they got the SSN in a particular place and doesn’t reveal any other information, you wouldn’t be able to guess that, would you?

Re: Fingerprints can be hacked

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Also remember, in the USA, the police can legally force your finger onto a reader to defeat the lock, without violating your 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination.

Remember (on an iPhone) you can squeeze the power button and one of the volume keys for a few seconds. This disables biometric authentication until a passcode is entered. This can protect you against this "attack vector".

It can protect you, but as I experienced, if you have your phone in your pocket and a government agent puts a loaded gun to your head and tells you not to move then you can't access this feature...

Re: Fingerprints can be hacked

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On Android (don't know about iOS) you can take photos without even unlocking - double press on the power button opens the camera. You can't access anything else (including existing photos in the camera roll).

It works the same way on iPhones. The lock screen includes a camera button. When tapped, the phone enter a camera-only mode in which only photos taken during that session are accessible.

You can also swipe the right on the screen to open the camera instead of pressing the camera button on the screen.

Re: Fingerprints can be hacked

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The huge advantage of biometrics (fingerprints, FaceID, etc.) is the ease with which a user can unlock their phone. A passcode may be better than a fingerprint, but a fingerprint+longer passcode is better than a shorter passcode (or no passcode at all). Having a 12 character alphanumeric passphrase you enter each time you want to unlock is not something most users want to do. See e.g.: https://www.businesstoday.in/te…

A TPM can harden a pin such that it is stronger than a biometric. As a simple example, suppose the TPM has an exponential back off algorithm such that you need to wait 1s after one wrong guess, 2s after two wrong guesses, 4s after 3, etc. No one is getting anywhere close to 64 guesses in that case much less the hundreds you might need for a 4 digit pin (assuming it isn't someone's birthday).

However, you are correct that a fingerprint is faster than even a 4 digit pin. And even a TPM does not solve the problem of pin/password reuse and being easy to guess, it just makes it harder by giving you much fewer guesses.

Re: Fingerprints can be hacked

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My favorite photograph of a fingerprint is when the Chaos Computer Club reproduced the German Foreign ministers fingerprint from a photo. So much for military grade security. https://www.dw.com/en/german-defense-minister-von-der-leyens... - The core problems with biometrics are that: 1) Not revokable (unlike compromised credentials) 2) Not a secret 3) Usually trivial to reproduce and spoof (even "liveliness" tests)

I’m waiting on a court case with a fingerprint as key evidence for conviction, in which the defendant brings this up. Might not pass reasonable doubt muster, but what if somebody sold fingerprint forgery kits online that made it push-button simple? Just supply an image or two, run it through some ML to reconstruct the print, laser etch a latex glove or similar… I wonder if you could use CRISPR or “lab-grown meat” tec…

https://youtu.be/hJ35ApLKpN4

It's already trivial - $500 consumer grade resin printers have sufficient resolution, and creating the model from photographs is super easy.

Same for facial recognition - you can do Mission Impossible style masks, and the most significant investment is in time spent learning makeup and wig work.

Biometrics are not secure, just like a vast majority of locks. All it takes is tools, knowledge, and motive to bypass them.

Re: Fingerprints can be hacked

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On modern FaceID phones you need to hold the power and down volume key to bring up the Reset/PowerOff and cancel. Just clicking multiple times will bring up wallet, siri, or do nothing.

Just clicking multiple times will bring up wallet, siri, or do nothing. On my iPhone 13, just now, I rapidly clicked the power button 5x. The phone immediately made a loud sound and put up a screen that said "Emergency SOS". There was an option to "cancel" it, but I assume that the phone would have contacted 911 in short order unless I quickly cancelled. So the correct description is probably "it depends".

My Android phone did exactly the same. Very loudly and unexpectedly.
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