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Re: Thank Steve Jobs

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Post by kubrickslair » Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 8:54 AM UTC

vacri wrote: post #37

kubrickslair wrote: post #27

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Almost every other laptop manufacturer also does that, at least now-a-days. And it was true when I got my first laptop, a ThinkPad in 2004. Did Apple start the trend, and was it different before that? I am not sure, I could not find enough conclusive pictures of older models. More broadly, this is the kind of rationalizing which probably come from some irrational hate that the grandparent is talking about. Also to ta…

None of the Thinkpads that I have on hand (x30, T41 tablet, X201, Z61m, covers ~ 10 years) exhibit that feature, so it's not something "thinkpad does". The difference with the Apple logo is that it is usually illuminated - rather than mere branding that you have to look for, it actually pulls your eye and works as an advertisement due to the difference in illuminance.

Yes, the difference with Apple is illuminance. But I think they started it when they were much smaller, and it was meant to be promote word-of-mouth-ish promotion. Sure now that Macs are popular, it sucks to have too many illuminated logos being thrown in your face. I don't like that either. I too find it sad that too many children these day will think the Apple logo is synonymous with computing devices. At least in the earlier days there were many different logos from different companies.

Going back to ThinkPad, I think the difference was that it was a small logo on the corner. Consider having a big ThinkPad logo in the center, and how odd it may look to anybody who looks at the user. Probably why other manufacturers also do it.

Re: Thank Steve Jobs

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Post by paul9290 » Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 9:03 AM UTC

swombat wrote: post #33

coryl wrote: post #30

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That's what the downvote is for

Actually, in the case of such an egregiously stupid comment, that's what the flag button is for.

While I agree fabulous's comment is totally inappropriate Im caught off guard by some comments to my submissions and or commments left.

For instance I recently unsubscribed to Groupon emails. After doing so Groupon pointed me to a page to watch a tongue and cheek video to get me to change my mind.

I hate getting spam emails and I was very eager to banish any further Groupons (signed up by mistake). There tongue and cheek video was very ineffective for me. I did think it was unique, interesting and something worth sharing. But, since I felt negatively towards it the title of my submission was "Worst Email Unsubscibe Page?". Because that is how I felt about it but still wondered what others thought.

For whatever reason because I chose a negative title the submission was flamed - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2928041

Again that is how I felt time of writing the title because it was un-effective for me, but wondered what others thought about it.

Ive been reading HN since May '07 (various accounts) so Im not a noob. Maybe Im someone who thinks differently at times then others here?

Re: Thank Steve Jobs

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Post by BasDirks » Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 9:15 AM UTC

DeusExMachina wrote: post #31

BasDirks wrote: post #26

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As it seems that non-hackers and just general idiots become more common on HN, it would be nice if pg & friends thought about some counter-measures.

I understand the general idiots point, but why non-hackers? I remember that a lot of time I read very valuable comments from doctors, or lawyers, or mathematicians. Some of the articles that go to the front page are not related to hacking and this has always been fine.

hm, non-hackers was bad wording on my part. I guess my view of hackers is very broad, describing a mindset, not particular skillsets.

Re: Thank Steve Jobs

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Post by BasDirks » Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 9:18 AM UTC

coryl wrote: post #30

BasDirks wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it seems that non-hackers and just general idiots become more common on HN, it would be nice if pg & friends thought about some counter-measures.

That's what the downvote is for

Not really. Downvote is for poor responses, which are still more or less acceptable. We don't want to spend our time on HN downvoting trolling clowns and other vermin.

Re: Thank Steve Jobs

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Post by Mz » Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 9:18 AM UTC

paul9290 wrote: post #42

swombat wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, in the case of such an egregiously stupid comment, that's what the flag button is for.

While I agree fabulous's comment is totally inappropriate Im caught off guard by some comments to my submissions and or commments left. For instance I recently unsubscribed to Groupon emails. After doing so Groupon pointed me to a page to watch a tongue and cheek video to get me to change my mind. I hate getting spam emails and I was very eager to banish any further Groupons (signed up by mistake). There tongue and c…

I am someone who is actively resistant to "group-think". It often gets me in hot water to be so out of step. It's tricky to be very out of step with a group and still participate in a meaningful, constructive fashion. I try extremely hard to avoid framing things in a blatantly negative fashion. Negative framing of that sort seems to only work if the majority are pretty much guaranteed to heartily agree.

Re: Thank Steve Jobs

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Post by swombat » Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 9:40 AM UTC

paul9290 wrote: post #42

swombat wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, in the case of such an egregiously stupid comment, that's what the flag button is for.

While I agree fabulous's comment is totally inappropriate Im caught off guard by some comments to my submissions and or commments left. For instance I recently unsubscribed to Groupon emails. After doing so Groupon pointed me to a page to watch a tongue and cheek video to get me to change my mind. I hate getting spam emails and I was very eager to banish any further Groupons (signed up by mistake). There tongue and c…

Iirc, the first title was "Worst Email Unsubscribe Page" without question mark. Also, the post was basically an editorial comment. I think it would have been flamed less if you had taken the time to write a short blog post about it and then submitted that.

Re: Thank Steve Jobs

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Post by fschwehn » Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 10:15 AM UTC

i really like most apple products, but that sounds much to me like a thanksgiving prayer! is apple just a brand or even a religion?

Re: Thank Steve Jobs

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Post by runn1ng » Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 10:52 AM UTC

zmmmmm wrote: post #15

Thank you for being flawed enough that you failed to stop Android taking over the phone market, and thereby preventing the world from entering a technology dark ages where hardware and software ecosystems are locked down and controlled by huge corporations.

On the other hand, iPhone OS (or how was it called in early days) was a clear inspiration for Android. You cannot deny Apple basically invented many phone UI metaphors, that were directly copied (and I don't mean it in negative sense) into Android UI.

And to your other point... closed nature has its upsides too. Look at gaming consoles, they work quite well despite being crazy controlled. And Apple never wanted to dominate the whole phone market... if you remember the iPhone introduction, they didn't want to own the whole market. They defined its own category, basically :)

Re: Thank Steve Jobs

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Post by runn1ng » Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 10:57 AM UTC

HaloZero wrote: post #38

Am I the only one who seems that this makes it seem like he's dead and just not stepping down from CEO of Apple? It's not like he's not going to do anything else in his life.

From the (tabloidy) TMZ photos, he doesn't look quite well.

Re: Thank Steve Jobs

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Post by kristofferR » Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 11:29 AM UTC

HaloZero wrote: post #38

Am I the only one who seems that this makes it seem like he's dead and just not stepping down from CEO of Apple? It's not like he's not going to do anything else in his life.

The way he phrased his resignation letter made it sound like his health is rapidly declining and is no longer good enough to serve as the CEO. That, and the November release of his official biography, are both hints that he fears his life is ending soon.

"I have always said if there ever came a day when I could no longer meet my duties and expectations as Apple’s CEO, I would be the first to let you know. Unfortunately, that day has come."