This seems suspiciously similar to the drama that hit node a while ago.
agreed, and if you intersects the two groups of people, someone easily stands out.
Rust Moderation Team Resigns
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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#652Is there any good way to craft a message like this? If they outlined specific issues then it would invariably devolve into armchair quarterbacking of those issues rather than the the underlying question of what kinds of checks-and-balances should exist for the Core Team -- gossip, accusations, and political discussions are a lot more fun than debating governance structures. On the other hand, if no specific issues ar…
You're right, it's walking a tightrope. But they do put this at the end (on the Reddit post[0], not GitHub): > we wish to ... focus on Constructive Criticism: how to improve the state of things, moving forward. > There are many potential topics that are worth exploring: > What should the Rust Governance look like? > How should the Rust Moderation Team be structured? What should be its responsibilities? > How can we e…
> and I don't see how these can be meaningfully discussed by someone who doesn't know what went wrong.
The "what went wrong" appears to be an organizational dispute, at least if we're to believe the statement.
Moderation team wanted authority over the core team. Core team disagreed. Moderation team resigned.
It's not clear that there was a violation, though their intentional vagueness does tend to push the reader to that assumption.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#653There are two statements here regarding things that have happened: > the Core Team placing themselves unaccountable to anyone but themselves > we have been unable to enforce the Rust Code of Conduct to the standards the community expects of us and to the standards we hold ourselves to It's possible that there were CoC violations that they were not able to moderate, that the actions available to them were limited (e.g…
Sounds like the people trying to play social politics had a hissy fit because they couldn't control the people doing the actual work. Fantastic.
You might care to notice that the resignation was announced by Andrew Gallant—more commonly known as BurntSushi[1]—who is one of the most well-respected, talented, and prolific contributors in the wider Rust community. Amongst other things, they are the author of ripgrep[2], the regex[3] crate, and the byteorder[4] crate. They have multiple projects which are amongst the most-downloaded crates[5] in the Rust ecosystem.
One would struggle to find more than a handful of people who have done more "actual work" for Rust than Andrew.
[1]: https://blog.burntsushi.net/about
[2]: https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep
[3]: https://github.com/rust-lang/regex
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#654Earlier quoted context omitted.
People have made fun of Linux having Linus as the dictator on top, but it seems like that model might be the best for long term project success...
Right, and Ruby has had Matz, Python had Guido and to a certain degree PHP had Rasmus. As soon as you have more than one captain in the ship, politics and drama seems unavoidable.
I think the case of Rust is a bit unique with heavy interest in the future of the language from powerful companies [0].
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#655Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it is. What if a contributor is harassing another team member? What if he/she is being openly racist/sexist/etc.?
what IF a person in a responsibility position is openly accused of being XYZ-phobic by attention-seeking, emotionally unstable netizens?
Exactly. That's what a mod team should do: sort invalid accusations out from legitimate ones.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#656RUST MODERATION TEAM: (“we believe ourselves and our feelings to be more important than rust as a whole so we hope to watch it crash and burn”)… RUST RIVAL EXECUTIVES, previously :EXEC#1: (“well you know it looks like we have the C replacement for the next 50 years, it’s free, it’s secure, it scales, and it’s been developed out in the open. this is definitely cutting into our business johnson, what can we do about this?”)…EXEC#2:JOHNSON: “whip up the wokesters and take that motherfucker down?”)… EXEC#1: “sounds good johnson, make it happen”!
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#657Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like the people trying to play social politics had a hissy fit because they couldn't control the people doing the actual work. Fantastic.
You might care to notice that the resignation was announced by Andrew Gallant—more commonly known as BurntSushi[1]—who is one of the most well-respected, talented, and prolific contributors in the wider Rust community. Amongst other things, they are the author of ripgrep[2], the regex[3] crate, and the byteorder[4] crate. They have multiple projects which are amongst the most-downloaded crates[5] in the Rust ecosyste…
As well as xsv and the csv crate.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#658Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#659I'm inclined to believe the rust moderation team even though they haven't disclosed any specifics. The way the core team exercises absolute authority in spite of community complaints has always rubbed me the wrong way. They present a facade of caring while crushing dissent. I do not recognize most of the core team these days, but Steve Klabnik and Ashley Williams stand out as likely culprits. I have personally submit…
But the mod team who resigned were precisely the ones behind moderating those Reddit/Discourse threads though. So I don't think there was animosity between the two teams from the start, but rather that tensions grew over the years until it became unmanageable. My interpretation is that the drama happening around the core team (like the things you've mentioned) gets increasingly overwhelming for the mod team to handle…
> But the mod team who resigned were precisely the ones behind moderating those Reddit/Discourse threads though.
I thought same as well, but seems reddit mods are different:
> Please note that the official Rust moderation team is not the same organization as the team that moderates the subreddit here on /r/rust. The subreddit is an unofficial space, and though it is frequented by many who are affiliated with the project, it remains independent from the Rust project. The /r/rust mod team is not resigning from moderating the subreddit.
> In the interest of disclosure, two of the moderators who are resigning from the official mod team are moderators here on this subreddit (matthieum and llogiq). They appear to have not resigned their position here, which I appreciate, since they're rather excellent moderators. However, in the interest of impartiality I am asking them to recuse themselves from taking moderator action in this thread (they may still comment as usual if they wish, of course).
https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/qzme1z/moderation_tea...
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#660Some interesting context from one of the resigning mod team members: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/qzme1z/moderation_tea...
how is it interesting?