Hipsters and overpriced consumer electronics?
The fact that you feel the need to disparage a man who, as part of a two-man team, charted the course for personal computing in the 1980's, workstation computing and CGI in the 1990's, and then went on to build the world's most valuable consumer electronics company – says more about you than it says about Steve Jobs. You might not like people who care about aesthetics, but I doubt you'd fare particularly well in a co…
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#23Thank you for being flawed enough that you failed to stop Android taking over the phone market, and thereby preventing the world from entering a technology dark ages where hardware and software ecosystems are locked down and controlled by huge corporations.
Android is nothing but a 2nd rate copycat mobile OS from an evil corporation whose main goal is to steal user data and serve us shitty ads. Google is devoid of morals, ethics and taste. They sell ads for chrissakes! They're as low in the totem pole as used car salesmen!
Android is nothing without iOS. NOTHING. Google is being sued left and right because they are nothing but a bunch of COPYCAT ONE-TRICK PONY.
....and let me just say that Larry Page is an UGLY horse tooth jackass. And Andy Rubin looks like the retarded gay lover of Elton John.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
To expand on mrk-hn's comment, I don't think the comparison is entirely without merit. From what I can tell, a lot of the scorn directed at hipsters (or at least the "hipster" archetype/strawperson) stems from fact (or perception) that they value cultural artifacts based on the social status that they can leverage those artifacts for, rather than for any intrinsic value they might have. Compare someone who tells thei…
> Apple's branding and advertising tends to exhibit a similar focus on how their products will improve your status, rather than on the capabilities of the actual hard/software Look at the lid of every mac book. Which way up is the Apple? Your way so that you naturally see it right side up when opening the lid? - no - it's upside down to you, because the point is, everyone else is supposed to see it.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
To expand on mrk-hn's comment, I don't think the comparison is entirely without merit. From what I can tell, a lot of the scorn directed at hipsters (or at least the "hipster" archetype/strawperson) stems from fact (or perception) that they value cultural artifacts based on the social status that they can leverage those artifacts for, rather than for any intrinsic value they might have. Compare someone who tells thei…
> Apple's branding and advertising tends to exhibit a similar focus on how their products will improve your status, rather than on the capabilities of the actual hard/software Look at the lid of every mac book. Which way up is the Apple? Your way so that you naturally see it right side up when opening the lid? - no - it's upside down to you, because the point is, everyone else is supposed to see it.
It's just one more example of design that makes sense.
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#26Thank you for being flawed enough that you failed to stop Android taking over the phone market, and thereby preventing the world from entering a technology dark ages where hardware and software ecosystems are locked down and controlled by huge corporations.
Android is the Modern day Nokia. Android's marketshare is WORTHLESS. Android is nothing but a 2nd rate copycat mobile OS from an evil corporation whose main goal is to steal user data and serve us shitty ads. Google is devoid of morals, ethics and taste. They sell ads for chrissakes! They're as low in the totem pole as used car salesmen! Android is nothing without iOS. NOTHING. Google is being sued left and right bec…
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
To expand on mrk-hn's comment, I don't think the comparison is entirely without merit. From what I can tell, a lot of the scorn directed at hipsters (or at least the "hipster" archetype/strawperson) stems from fact (or perception) that they value cultural artifacts based on the social status that they can leverage those artifacts for, rather than for any intrinsic value they might have. Compare someone who tells thei…
> Apple's branding and advertising tends to exhibit a similar focus on how their products will improve your status, rather than on the capabilities of the actual hard/software Look at the lid of every mac book. Which way up is the Apple? Your way so that you naturally see it right side up when opening the lid? - no - it's upside down to you, because the point is, everyone else is supposed to see it.
More broadly, this is the kind of rationalizing which probably come from some irrational hate that the grandparent is talking about.
Also to talk about advertising, it generally works that way. Not just in the first world, but in the third world too.
Let me give you an anecdote. tl;dr: ads targeted towards working class in India had the decor which is not even common among wealthy, it works.
I grew up in India, in a rather wealthy family in a medium-sized city. And I mention that, because with it comes with something which is very uncommon in most of the Western world and even bigger Indian cities. I had an entourage as a kid, the kind that only old money has in US, with a pretty minute fraction of wealth. And I was close with some of my help, been to their homes, parties etc. (May sound weird, but is not that common in that part of the world.) And most ads which specifically target them, project a lifestyle which I have generally not seen even among the wealthy i.e. people who they work for. And yet, instead of shying away from those products and considering them elitist, they embraced them, as opposed to the things that used more down to earth marketing. I have not watched Indian TV for almost a decade, but I doubt that things have changed a lot.
So what's wrong with Apple projecting a slightly more stylish and affluent image. Benz does that too, and so do most startup videos I have seen, irrespective of whether they were made by Adam Lisagor.
Errata: On second thoughts, I am not sure if it was true for the ThinkPad. But the Dells and HPs were like that.
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#28Steve Jobs is a great man, but isn't this a little much?
Saying thank you, like most happier emotional expressions, has a positive effect for the sender as well as the recipient.
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#29Steve Jobs is a great man, but isn't this a little much?
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Android is the Modern day Nokia. Android's marketshare is WORTHLESS. Android is nothing but a 2nd rate copycat mobile OS from an evil corporation whose main goal is to steal user data and serve us shitty ads. Google is devoid of morals, ethics and taste. They sell ads for chrissakes! They're as low in the totem pole as used car salesmen! Android is nothing without iOS. NOTHING. Google is being sued left and right bec…
As it seems that non-hackers and just general idiots become more common on HN, it would be nice if pg & friends thought about some counter-measures.