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I feel like there is always drama or issues surrounding the governance of Rust. It has definitely made me wary to adopt it as a long-term language. Maybe I have recency bias or something.
From the rust subreddit, which apparently is an "unofficial space" does not want people to discuss any specifics either. Why is this discourse happening in public? They want to use public opinion to bring reforms to the Rust governance but not divulge any details? Does Rust really have a community if noone but a few select member have access to the information regarding why things are changing and the community membe…
As a first order approximation, the word "community" is so overused as to mean nothing. It's often used to obscure a power structure, or pretend a mass of people are more cohesive than they are. Sometimes both. Don't go into any software project expecting more.
Rust is a big club and you ain't in it. You can still use it, submit patches, maybe even work towards a position in their project hierarchy. The important thing is you got your first strong sniff of knowing where you stand in relation to the club.
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Generally speaking, organizations providing statements in favor of human rights have been in fairly safe territory. Historically, businesses supporting desegregation, the Civil Rights Act, LGBTQ inclusivity, or other human rights issues have been either unharmed or benefitted from the stance, even if there's no material contribution to the cause, and even if the fight for human rights is partisan (it almost always is…
No one disputes the human rights of black people. What is disputed is whether police killings are racially motivated or whether American police are too often heavy handed irrespective of race (94% of Americans believe that some police reform is needed[0]). Of course, virtually everyone understands that blacks are killed disproportionately by police, but that doesn't imply a racial motive when we know for fact that th…
The Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s in the US also involved violent riots by some actors, and there was public debate between sides on whether segregation was intrinsically a cause of inequality, similar to how there is debate today between sides on whether our criminal justice system is intrinsically a cause of racial inequality. If one didn't view segregation as intrinsically unequal, they might claim that the Civil Rights Movement (though focused on many other issues as is BLM) had "little to do with human rights." Supporting the Civil Rights Movement, a movement that contained numerous groups, goals, and actors (both violent and non-violent), was still a position that doesn't seem to have harmed organizations of the day, and may have even benefitted them.
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It is more important to produce great works than it is to adhere to the behavioral strictures of internet activists. 100 years from now, people will recognize the name "Linux Torvalds". Who will remember the tone police? Linux is a major accomplishment and a boon for all humanity. All I see the hall monitors accomplishing is the production of drama.
These "internet activists" you spend so much effort maligning are simply reminding you that there is a human being on the other side of that screen. I'm not inside the Linux developers' world, but from the outside it seems like a much healthier, more vibrant place since Linus realized that he works with human beings.
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I was replying to someone who said the content of the resignation was a refusal to drag drama into the public. I did not say dragging it into public was a bad tactic for accomplishing their goals. >you'd need to know every other piece of the story that lead to this point and lead them to feel that this public statement was their only remaining choice. No I wouldn't. I will stand by my claim that they said more than n…
"I don't know the story, nor any of the events leading up to this point, but I am convinced that one side is handling it wrong!"
"You don't know the story, we won't tell any of the events leading up to this point, but you better be sure that these people on the core team are wrong!"
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It's sad that the Equal Justice Initiative[0] (linked by the Go homepage) is considered partisan. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Justice_Initiative
I mean they certainly have a partisan stance re: prisons and incarceration. Not to say whether it's a good stance or not, but it's certainly partisan. Partisan doesn't mean "I disagree with this." But whatever it is and whatever your opinion of it, it's hard to make a cogent argument that it belongs as a banner on the front page of a programming language website.
I did not realize that providing counsel to inmates was a partisan issue.
> But whatever it is and whatever your opinion of it, it's hard to make a cogent argument that it belongs as a banner on the front page of a programming language website.
This is unrelated to my comment.
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Can you explain to me what your definition of snowflake is? Is it anyone who doesn't agree with the ethos "In my eyes someone is allowed to be as hateful as they want as long as they contribute good code."? Genuinely asking, as it seems to appear several times throughout this topic and the only thing I can settle on is that it's used as a derogatory term for anyone who cares more about X or Y than the person calling…
"Someone who chooses to get offended about what others write or say" would be my working definition. I don't think being offended is a reasonable thing to be, generally.
I'm genuinely curious, maybe I misunderstand what it means to be offended.
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Well, the question is rather- what is a "fuck up" to them? And to that- who knows? Certainly the point of a CoC is supposed to be to codify this, but I believe experience shows that its interpretation tends to be expansive, when the wording is not already expansive to begin with. At the end of the day, events like Curtis Yarvin, a person who has never harmed a fly, almost getting banned from Lambdaconf over "safety"…
I wasn't familiar with Curtis Yarvin, but in looking him up, you can't be serious, right? >Yarvin's online writings, many under his pseudonym Mencius Moldbug, convey blatantly racist views. He expresses the belief that white people are genetically endowed with higher IQs than black people. He has suggested race may determine whether individuals are better suited for slavery, and his writing has been interpreted as su…
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> Providing legal representation to those who may have been denied a fair trial This is partisan?
In a political environment where one party openly allies with those that seek a white ethnostate[1] and the other sees a compromise solution that normalizes and rationalizes the existence of its opposition[2], the fair and equal application of the law is not just partisan, it is increasingly countercultural. 1. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/heres-h... 2. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/…
For more details, see my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29308714
This is a real shame. From the early days of Rust (pre-2018?) I built up this mental picture of it having a considerably better run and governed community, with people putting time into thinking about how a community should work rather than it being something that's ignored because "we're here to write code and managing a product is a waste of time". I lost touch (the last video I watched which might be the one that…
Ashley Williams is maybe one of the causes of this as she's on the core team and has said horrible CoC violating things in the past (but it was for a different CoC).
> Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.