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U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

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Re: U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

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A reminder that no one's making you use Amazon, especially the Alexa stuff. I invested in Mycroft to try and kickstart a privacy-focused alternative; the hardware isn't there yet but they've made good strides on the software side. You can invest too! https://www.startengine.com/mycroftai Make the world we want to live in.

Amazon delivery vans scan nearby WiFi networks for SSIDs and tag that with geolocation. Amazon knows all about your home network.

Re: U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

#22

A reminder that no one's making you use Amazon, especially the Alexa stuff. I invested in Mycroft to try and kickstart a privacy-focused alternative; the hardware isn't there yet but they've made good strides on the software side. You can invest too! https://www.startengine.com/mycroftai Make the world we want to live in.

Amazon delivery vans scan nearby WiFi networks for SSIDs and tag that with geolocation. Amazon knows all about your home network .

This is the first time I've heard that claim. Can you please provide a source?

Re: U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

#23

> Internal documents reveal how a former aide to Joe Biden helped the tech giant build a lobbying juggernaut that has gutted legislation nothing is going to happen, especially considering the complaints are related to Alexa recordings. NSA/DOJ love the idea of having recording devices they can hack/subpoena whenever they want, they are basically opt-in 1984 telescreens. All Amazon has to do is remind Congress behind…

It's really interesting to see, on the one hand, the claim from the former Alexa engineer that they're not doing this and take privacy seriously, and on the other hand, the claim that they're government surveillance devices. Because it's possible that they could both be true. The engineers take privacy seriously, think they're preserving it well, and then the man from the government comes in and PRISMs their servers…

You know it's a crackpot theory when it's so unfalsifiable as to be absurd. You think one person--just one person--can manage the data of millions of people, the backups, the government requests, the exporting, and the IT troubleshooting? That's awfully convenient, and I expect you'll never be proven wrong and have to feel dumb for believing it.

Re: U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

#24

A reminder that no one's making you use Amazon, especially the Alexa stuff. I invested in Mycroft to try and kickstart a privacy-focused alternative; the hardware isn't there yet but they've made good strides on the software side. You can invest too! https://www.startengine.com/mycroftai Make the world we want to live in.

Amazon delivery vans scan nearby WiFi networks for SSIDs and tag that with geolocation. Amazon knows all about your home network .

Google pioneered this on mass-scale, I dont doubt it

Re: U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about we regulate AND make it easy for startups to compete. Living in world where the big corps can all responsibly handle your data (what ever that actually means) and competition stagnates. Our brand of capitalism pretends in runs on competition. *edit and from the article, if Amazon is quietly curtailing and preventing privacy laws on a state basis, what effort are they using ton unify those laws on a federal…

The laws are written to entrench incumbents and their moats. Startups have neither the resources or the lobbyists to compete while they try to get their bare feeble MVP off the ground. The only way you can do that is if you carve out exemptions for smaller companies. This law does not apply if you have less than 300 employees and 100 million is net turnover etc.

this cynical post misses the fact that corporate executives also decry invasions of privacy when it hits they themselves, their dear ones and their inner circles. You can bet that there is privacy available, but how, from whom, under what terms, and of course how much money does it cost.

Re: U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

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US lawmakers can't even take on robocallers and spammers, so I don't have much faith in their ability. When they are willing to actually impose harsh criminal liability on companies and employees like they do for citizens, then things like this won't be an issue.

I had great hope when I heard about the STIR/SHAKEN protocol [1].

It's been in effect for five months now and I think I get more spam calls than ever before.

[1]: https://www.fcc.gov/call-authentication

Re: U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

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US lawmakers can't even take on robocallers and spammers, so I don't have much faith in their ability. When they are willing to actually impose harsh criminal liability on companies and employees like they do for citizens, then things like this won't be an issue.

US lawmakers _are_ the robocallers and spammers.

Re: U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

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Despite the day to day situation in congress, it seems inevitable that in the short to mid term, the US will have to stand up new privacy legislation in order to maintain participation in the digital economy. The question will be how they define privacy, and who will write the law. If activism doesn't interest you and you're looking for a reasonable shortcut, follow the work/proposals of Sen. Ron Wyden. He employs ac…

Wyden is the single best tech-related legislator in Congress, in my opinion. A great all around senator as well.

Re: U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

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The cartoon playing out in the media once again reminds me of Gell-Mann Amnesia because I used to work at Alexa. The lengths that they go to for preserving consumer privacy actually seemed absurd to me. Alexa engineers and applied scientists' lives would have been much easier if they didn't take customer privacy -- and their right to request and delete their data -- so seriously. Yes, they are lobbying against regula…

I was just having a conversation yesterday about how complex it can be to follow 50 different state regulations, but also 200+ different national regulations.

Would the ideal case for you to be a federal (national) regulation or a global regulation?

Re: U.S. lawmakers call for privacy legislation after Reuters report on Amazon

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Despite the day to day situation in congress, it seems inevitable that in the short to mid term, the US will have to stand up new privacy legislation in order to maintain participation in the digital economy. The question will be how they define privacy, and who will write the law. If activism doesn't interest you and you're looking for a reasonable shortcut, follow the work/proposals of Sen. Ron Wyden. He employs ac…

> maintain participation in the digital economy.

I think your logic is reverse. There is an asymmetrical advantage for companies like Google and Facebook.

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