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From the rust subreddit, which apparently is an "unofficial space" does not want people to discuss any specifics either. Why is this discourse happening in public? They want to use public opinion to bring reforms to the Rust governance but not divulge any details? Does Rust really have a community if noone but a few select member have access to the information regarding why things are changing and the community membe…
This is a real shame. From the early days of Rust (pre-2018?) I built up this mental picture of it having a considerably better run and governed community, with people putting time into thinking about how a community should work rather than it being something that's ignored because "we're here to write code and managing a product is a waste of time". I lost touch (the last video I watched which might be the one that…
I love Rust. Its the language I use most these days. But seems like there is a new drama every week with the core team and community.
> But seems like there is a new drama every week That's what happens when you elevate micromanagement of language to a task of equal or greater importance than the creation of code.
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With most OSS projects nowadays I don't think you have to use a mailing list or anything that would have an MOTD in order to contribute. Contributions nowadays are often done entirely through the repository, so it makes sense to put in them the things that people contemplating contribution should be cognizant of. Repositories for most projects are more project repositories than mere code repositories.
> Repositories for most projects are more project repositories than mere code repositories. Indeed, but for some reason it still feels odd. I've acknowledged I'm getting old, right? ;-) Also, there is some rational justification to my feeling. It used to be that you might kick-ban someone from a channel or /dev/null their mailing list contributions. But if they made a technically meritorious merge request via SCM the…
> In this message, we have avoided airing specific grievances beyond unaccountability. We've chosen to maintain discretion and confidentiality. We recommend that the broader Rust community and the future Mod Team exercise extreme skepticism of any statements by the Core Team (or members thereof) claiming to illuminate the situation. Isn't that a kind of scorched earth statement? I read it as "we will be discreet and…
If you’re not going to publicly state your grievances, so publicly posting your resignation seems at best political and at worst slanderous. Either let the public in on the situation or don’t. Don’t badmouth someone and then refuse to explain why.
Pointing out some specific things is hard as it's most likely not one specific thing but many small things plus some "that's enough" bigger thing(s) and because it likely has various negative effects including:
-people focusing on that specific thing, instead of the general problem (unaccountability)
-people overreacting, e.g. starting a witch hunt with serve negative effects for the community
- ... (other more vague/implicit things, like leaking of private information)
Sorry what's the context?
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me like any time there's a controversy surrounding code of conducts (and just bad behavior in general) with open source projects, it's always on Github. Conversations on Gitlab by comparison always feel a lot more serious and professional. That could just be due to numbers, since Github has way more people. The low barrier of entry to Github probably also contributes, since it attract…
I tried looking for it now, but it seems the threads got purged
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Of course it is. What if a contributor is harassing another team member? What if he/she is being openly racist/sexist/etc.?
In my eyes someone is allowed to be as hateful as they want as long as they contribute good code.
I would argue that you don't literally mean that - or rather there are situations you could find yourself in that would result in your changing your mind on this.
Although it's possible you're being slightly disingenuous and what you really mean is more "The thing I currently suspect is happening in the Rust team isn't something I would regard as serious". I suspect that's behind at least some of the responses on this thread.
I love Rust. Its the language I use most these days. But seems like there is a new drama every week with the core team and community.
I suspect any popular technology will have drama in the communities surrounding it. Anything high value will have power struggles around it. Same happened with Node as it gained popularity.
In reality, they are just free-for-all power struggles. What starts out as anarchic fun and inclusivity among ~1-100 like-minded people scales into dysfunctional sectarianism.