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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by Jensson »

jacquesm wrote: post #346
whimsicalism wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any possibility they are under formal legal contract ie. NDA? Don't know how formal the Rust organization is setup/whether that would be a part in the process of joining the moderation team.

A moderation team under NDA might as well not exist. Moderators should always be free to speak their minds.

Is HR on the employees side? No. Same thing here, the moderation team didn't realize that their job was to protect the core team from the rest, holding the core team accountable wasn't a part of their job even if it was warranted.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by Aeolun »

bruce343434 wrote: post #72
ferdowsi wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely, yes. A growing community needs healthy management in order to avoid reputational damage to the core language. There's no shortage of guidance to "stay away from X tech because the community is toxic and non-serious"

In my personal experience such statements are pretty rare actually.

Have you ever tried learning PHP? Even the people that don’t actively work with it are toxic :P

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by marginalia_nu »

tinco wrote: post #166
mjburgess wrote: post #86

Absent some form of democracy, what does it mean for a leadership to be "accountable"? Power extends from whoever has the authority to hold others to account. So this just reads like a power-grab from the moderation team. What would it mean for them to have the power to hold the core team to account? That they could sack people from it? The goals of the project are set by the core team; not by a moderation team enfor…

It's not a power grab, because they just relinquished power, even going to the point of leaving instructions for the next group of people that would take over. Just this flaw in your logic probably landed you your first downvotes. Second, the CoC is not arbitrary, there's a link to it merged into the repository which means the core team (or at least a majority of it) agreed to it. Their resigning is just a signal tha…

If this wasn't about power, they wouldn't be airing their dirty laundry in public. The only reason you do that is because you're hoping to stir up some sort of shitstorm to (threaten to) damage the public perception of the project. It's juvenile he-said-she-said behavior that's barely above storming to your bedroom shouting "screw you, mom!" and slamming the door so hard a few shingles fall off the roof.

Of course what you inevitably get isn't an internet shitstorm at all, but a bunch of rubberneckers gleefully gawking at the high school drama publicly unfolding in your organization.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by porker »

This is a real shame. From the early days of Rust (pre-2018?) I built up this mental picture of it having a considerably better run and governed community, with people putting time into thinking about how a community should work rather than it being something that's ignored because "we're here to write code and managing a product is a waste of time".

I lost touch (the last video I watched which might be the one that give me the feels for it was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9OFQm8Qf1I, I do recall Ashley Williams & her ideas were a big part of why the community looked so good from outside; contrasted with the "do-ocracy" one I'm in) so I don't know what happened - but it's sad it's become like other projects now.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by cormacrelf »

unanswered wrote: post #325
zozbot234 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're committing to sharing these reasons with other Rust Team members, though. Just not the broader dev community.

So set `X = "other Rust team members"`. Everything else in the comment was just for drama.

I don't think it was overly dramatic, but otherwise I agree with your point about pointing out another group with whom it has been shared, specifically a neutral party, if public muck-raking must be avoided at all costs. I made a similar point below: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29308197

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by tharne »

secondcoming wrote: post #354

Why does a programming language need a 'Mod Team'? This is what happens when redditors leave the house.

> Why does a programming language need a 'Mod Team'? This is what happens when redditors leave the house.

Exactly. CoC's have become back doors to insert a specific brand of politics into the development world.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by hintymad »

Curious, why did a project of programming language hire a multi-person moderation team in the first place? That's the OSS version of HR? Or is it equivalent to a team of diversity and inclusion?

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by jjk166 »

2fast4you wrote: post #87
u320 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is very much in the public sphere now though.

Sure, but you can't resign and not have it be a public thing. They said as little as they could

The problem wasn't saying too much, it's saying too little. A resignation is supposed to be a message. The appropriate thing is to make that message clear and professional. It can be discrete without innuendo.
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