TL;DR: the Rust development community is so moderate and peaceful on its own that the Rust Moderation Team was left without a job!
Rust Moderation Team Resigns
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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe is better that no single action is emphasized or a single person and focus on the actual problem, the fact that there might be a group that is above the laws/rules and possible solutions. Edit: I think if some action will be made public then everyone will focus on debating why that action was correct/incorrect , then a lot of mostly politics dirt will be thrown around etc.
Without knowing exactly what went wrong it won't be possible for the community to know if their changes have gone far enough (or too far) to address the actual problem. This stinks. I wonder if the moderators are concerned they'll be found culpable as well, if the problem is revealed.
Being a moderator is a thankless job, and when you don't have any power to do that job, it also becomes soul-sucking.
I don't think the moderators are concerned about culpability. I think they're concerned that what appears to be an internal debate is going to get dragged out for months on end, in public, with all context loss, and with even less ability on their part to do anything useful or constructive.
If I were in their position, I would very likely do the same thing and try to learn some lessons and move on with my life.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#53Programming Language authors love to formalize everything , but did Rust really need all of these rules and moderators to begin with?
No. Guessing they were self-elected. The fact that they won’t disclose what the issue is or the nature of the issue, it’s likely they were being little whiney kids. To me, it looks like moderators somehow want to usurp power that the ACTUAL devs should have.
You realize that the author of those posts are also devs right?
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#54These organizational breakdowns in tech communities (recently Rust,.NET, Elm) make me much more appreciative of long-running, relatively healthy communities.
Can you elaborate on the Elm breakdown?
I don't remember reading about it.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#55> In this message, we have avoided airing specific grievances beyond unaccountability. We've chosen to maintain discretion and confidentiality. We recommend that the broader Rust community and the future Mod Team exercise extreme skepticism of any statements by the Core Team (or members thereof) claiming to illuminate the situation. Isn't that a kind of scorched earth statement? I read it as "we will be discreet and…
It's the opposite: it's a "we refuse to drag this drama out into the public sphere" statement.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#56These organizational breakdowns in tech communities (recently Rust,.NET, Elm) make me much more appreciative of long-running, relatively healthy communities.
Please don't confuse the breakdowns in specific political groups with overall community. In any realm there are 10-100s of quiet participants for each loud person who takes on some public role and tries to organize things. Enthusiastic bureaucrats often clash unless there's de-fact dictatorship that suppresses such conflicts before they create too much noise. But their problems are not representative of everyone else's work and participation.
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#57Programming Language authors love to formalize everything , but did Rust really need all of these rules and moderators to begin with?
No. Guessing they were self-elected. The fact that they won’t disclose what the issue is or the nature of the issue, it’s likely they were being little whiney kids. To me, it looks like moderators somehow want to usurp power that the ACTUAL devs should have.
You realize that the moderation team were all rust contributors/developers, right?
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#58Obviously there is a story behind this ("the Core Team placing themselves unaccountable to anyone but themselves"), but it's not entirely evident from the PR itself what actions led down to this happening. I guess somewhere a Core Team member broke the Code of Conduct but the deed went unpunished? I was expecting some references or links to where this actually happened, but couldn't find anything. Anyone know what ha…
I just hope it's not about either something silly (like tabs vs spaces) or something important but unrelated (like BLM).
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#59I have used Rust for years, but I never bothered with looking into the governance structure.
How are team members selected? Who has authority to kick someone off a team? How are team leads selected? Who can remove team leads?
Is it the core team? If so, who picks the core team?
I can't find anything online, except this very bare-bones WIP stub. [1]
This seems to be a glaring and surprising oversight.
Especially at this point, with Rust becoming more and more popular, the foundation in place for almost a year, and corporate interest flooding into the project, I would have expected proper procedures to already be in place for quite some time.
There certainly seem to be other cracks in the system. See for example "I refuse to let Amazon define Rust" by core team member Steve Klabnik, extensively discussed here on HN. [2]
[1] https://github.com/rust-lang/governance/blob/master/common/m...
Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns
#60tech geeks too corny, dry snitching keyboard cops yuck