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Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

#31

Post by woodruffw »

scandox wrote: post #16

> In this message, we have avoided airing specific grievances beyond unaccountability. We've chosen to maintain discretion and confidentiality. We recommend that the broader Rust community and the future Mod Team exercise extreme skepticism of any statements by the Core Team (or members thereof) claiming to illuminate the situation. Isn't that a kind of scorched earth statement? I read it as "we will be discreet and…

"Assume all your worst fears are true" is substantially different in meaning from "exercise skepticism around public statements by the Core Team." I understand your reading, but I don't think it's warranted by the actual public announcement here.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

#33

Post by mijoharas »

jebronie wrote: post #13

Is this a dirty trick by the amazon folks to harm the core team?

> by the amazon folks

What is the reason that amazon folks would want to try and harm the rust core team?

Is there a specific group of "amazon folks" you're talking about, or do you think the entire company has something against the rust core team?

(Not saying they don't, I'm just slightly perplexed and have no idea what you're talking about).

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

#34

Post by notreallyserio »

simion314 wrote: post #22
capableweb wrote: post #4

Obviously there is a story behind this ("the Core Team placing themselves unaccountable to anyone but themselves"), but it's not entirely evident from the PR itself what actions led down to this happening. I guess somewhere a Core Team member broke the Code of Conduct but the deed went unpunished? I was expecting some references or links to where this actually happened, but couldn't find anything. Anyone know what ha…

Maybe is better that no single action is emphasized or a single person and focus on the actual problem, the fact that there might be a group that is above the laws/rules and possible solutions. Edit: I think if some action will be made public then everyone will focus on debating why that action was correct/incorrect , then a lot of mostly politics dirt will be thrown around etc.

Without knowing exactly what went wrong it won't be possible for the community to know if their changes have gone far enough (or too far) to address the actual problem.

This stinks. I wonder if the moderators are concerned they'll be found culpable as well, if the problem is revealed.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

#37

Post by sharklazer »

randyrand wrote: post #32

Programming Language authors love to formalize everything , but did Rust really need all of these rules and moderators to begin with?

No. Guessing they were self-elected. The fact that they won’t disclose what the issue is or the nature of the issue, it’s likely they were being little whiney kids.

To me, it looks like moderators somehow want to usurp power that the ACTUAL devs should have.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

#38

Post by nvrspyx »

scandox wrote: post #16

> In this message, we have avoided airing specific grievances beyond unaccountability. We've chosen to maintain discretion and confidentiality. We recommend that the broader Rust community and the future Mod Team exercise extreme skepticism of any statements by the Core Team (or members thereof) claiming to illuminate the situation. Isn't that a kind of scorched earth statement? I read it as "we will be discreet and…

It's more them saying be skeptical of anything the accused says about the situation, which is common sense in that the "wrongdoer" will more than likely spin the story to save face. Unlike a court of law, they're under no oath.

They may make a statement about the situation if the core team decides to release details on the situation, but they don't want to be the first to do so, so they're simply saying be skeptical if the core team speaks out because it may not be the whole story.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

#39

Post by capableweb »

simion314 wrote: post #22
capableweb wrote: post #4

Obviously there is a story behind this ("the Core Team placing themselves unaccountable to anyone but themselves"), but it's not entirely evident from the PR itself what actions led down to this happening. I guess somewhere a Core Team member broke the Code of Conduct but the deed went unpunished? I was expecting some references or links to where this actually happened, but couldn't find anything. Anyone know what ha…

Maybe is better that no single action is emphasized or a single person and focus on the actual problem, the fact that there might be a group that is above the laws/rules and possible solutions. Edit: I think if some action will be made public then everyone will focus on debating why that action was correct/incorrect , then a lot of mostly politics dirt will be thrown around etc.

> focus on the actual problem, the fact that there might be a group that is above the laws/rules and possible solutions

I just find it hard to understand on how you are suppose to see if the group is above the rules or how you can find any possible solutions, when what is supposed to have exemplified the problem is kept in the dark.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

#40

Post by crate_barre »

choeger wrote: post #5
fivelessminutes wrote: post #2

'Core team' as a concept naturally leads to elitism.

Does it? I am not familiar with the Rust language development but I read it as "team that takes care of the core (of the language)".

Have you talked to people that evangelize Rust? The whole community is elitist, starts at the top I guess.
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