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Hammerhead Rhythm Station (1997)
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Re: Hammerhead Rhythm Station (1997)
#12I used that to make tracks with Hammerhead in the 90s. Some of my friends also did. I was too young to club in 1997, but I knew Prodigy. The "Jungle" preset showed the secret to the some Prodigy drum sounds. Being young I was quite late in the game, and that thrashy DnB wasn't fashionable anymore (everyone was into quieter DnB around the 2000s), but our teen group loved it and it was a blast to show it to friends. I…
IIRC the "jungle" preset was just the Amen break:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFKMtv8tU0U
Re: Hammerhead Rhythm Station (1997)
#13Re: Hammerhead Rhythm Station (1997)
#14Aaaahhhh.... This brings back so many memories. Roland MCs, 808s, 909s, the RM1x. They were good times.
Bram Bos also made moonfish as a sequencer, using the same UI style as hammerhead https://archive.org/details/moonfish12
Re: Hammerhead Rhythm Station (1997)
#15I used that to make tracks with Hammerhead in the 90s. Some of my friends also did. I was too young to club in 1997, but I knew Prodigy. The "Jungle" preset showed the secret to the some Prodigy drum sounds. Being young I was quite late in the game, and that thrashy DnB wasn't fashionable anymore (everyone was into quieter DnB around the 2000s), but our teen group loved it and it was a blast to show it to friends. I…
IIRC the "jungle" preset was just the Amen break: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFKMtv8tU0U
Record companies and artists selling their sample stuff for millions and the original artist who made that drum solo got nothing, dying homeless in 2006.
If we worry about piracy, we should worry about this stuff too.
Re: Hammerhead Rhythm Station (1997)
#16There is a 2021 iOS version https://apps.apple.com/de/app/hammerhead-rhythm-station/id15...
Bram Bos makes some of the best soft-synths available on iOS - Mononoke is an especially beautiful thing. The anniversary version of Hammerhead is an absolute joy.
Re: Hammerhead Rhythm Station (1997)
#17There is a 2021 iOS version https://apps.apple.com/de/app/hammerhead-rhythm-station/id15...
Bram Bos makes some of the best soft-synths available on iOS - Mononoke is an especially beautiful thing. The anniversary version of Hammerhead is an absolute joy.
Yes!! Just to be explicit here - the dev behind the original Hammerhead makes a whole suite of iOS music apps now. Still going strong, crazy value for the money. Bram Bos is great.
Re: Hammerhead Rhythm Station (1997)
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
IIRC the "jungle" preset was just the Amen break: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFKMtv8tU0U
Record companies and artists selling their sample stuff for millions and the original artist who made that drum solo got nothing, dying homeless in 2006. If we worry about piracy, we should worry about this stuff too.
In fairness, the vast majority of tracks that use the amen break aren't going to make "millions". It started out as a few underground records that would have a relatively limited distribution. There was a lot of sampling that went on and nobody really thought anything of it because people weren't making large sums of money from it. In fact underground artists would often sample each other too and nobody minded. The problem was the amen break got sampled and almost nobody knew where it came from. It then got resampled and resampled, it was sampled so often that it started to appear on sample disks as if it were public domain. It's only relatively recently that it's become public knowledge. Heck, I'd been producing music for years before I realised and probably used that sample myself. The Winstons would have had no way to know they were being sampled either because of how niche that music scene was (and to some extent still is). So by the time the industry was big enough that artists were making a killing from that sample, it was already out there and everywhere.
I'm not saying it's fair but its far from the only sample to have been used everywhere with little recognition and sampling was one of the pivotal revolutions that gave the rise electronic music.
Re: Hammerhead Rhythm Station (1997)
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Record companies and artists selling their sample stuff for millions and the original artist who made that drum solo got nothing, dying homeless in 2006. If we worry about piracy, we should worry about this stuff too.
In fairness, the vast majority of tracks that use the amen break aren't going to make "millions". It started out as a few underground records that would have a relatively limited distribution. There was a lot of sampling that went on and nobody really thought anything of it because people weren't making large sums of money from it. In fact underground artists would often sample each other too and nobody minded. The p…
It wasn't exactly just a niche sample used in niche music. It was already one of the most sampled songs in Hip Hop when the authors found out about it.
Re: Hammerhead Rhythm Station (1997)
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
IIRC the "jungle" preset was just the Amen break: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFKMtv8tU0U
Record companies and artists selling their sample stuff for millions and the original artist who made that drum solo got nothing, dying homeless in 2006. If we worry about piracy, we should worry about this stuff too.
I wonder if there's more to this story than meets the eye. The author claims a label offered to buy the masters by 1996. So there probably was money in the licensing of the sampling (or at least the risk of being sued, and the label was trying to cover its ass).
I don't know the arrangement between the bandleader and the drummer (maybe the drummer was paid by session and was owed no royalties), but, in my understanding, the owner of the copyright definitely was entitled of royalties. In the early days it was chaos but by the 1990s samples were definitely being cleared.
After 1996, when the author found out about the sample, it was used (According to WhoSampled) by Oasis, Skrillex, Prodigy, Dua Lipa, Lupe Fiasco, Skipknot, and in the Naruto soundtrack. There definitely was the possibility of the author collecting royalties from some of those from copyright lawsuits.
On the other hand I remember in various communities since the early 2000s people asking "how do I clear the Amen Sample?", but nobody exactly knew who to contact because nobody seems to know who owns Metromedia Records, who put the original album.
I remember articles and interviews about this from 15+ years ago, so it's weird how no lawyer got in touch with the song author, or how the song author never got a lawyer.
On top of that, Amen Brother seems to contain portions of I'm a Winner and Theme From Lillies of the Field by The Impressions, so maybe that's why Spencer (the bandleader) never got any money to begin with.
I guess we won't know now that both the drummer and the author of the song are dead.