Seems kinda ridiculous to classify some animals as sentient but not others. Particularly when you consider the Lobster vs the Octopus.
Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law
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Re: Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law
#102Octopi I understand, but lobsters? They have less than half the nervous system of an ant [1]. Are individual ants sentient and worthy of legislating over? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of...
Jordan B. Peterson would support this.
Re: Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law
#103Octopi I understand, but lobsters? They have less than half the nervous system of an ant [1]. Are individual ants sentient and worthy of legislating over? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of...
Octopi is not the correct plural. Octopus is of greek origin, not latin. Thus, its greek plural is octopodes. And thus, since we don't tend to use greek plurals in english, the other proper plural is octopuses. Octopi is what's known as a hypercorrection. "A hypercorrection is non-standard use of language that results from the over-application of a perceived rule of language-usage prescription. A speaker or writer wh…
Octopi is certainly questionable, but Octopedes isn't as obviously correct as we'd think.
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/270/what-is-the-...
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1zx411e7VG/ (deleted from yt)
Re: Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Octopi is not the correct plural. Octopus is of greek origin, not latin. Thus, its greek plural is octopodes. And thus, since we don't tend to use greek plurals in english, the other proper plural is octopuses. Octopi is what's known as a hypercorrection. "A hypercorrection is non-standard use of language that results from the over-application of a perceived rule of language-usage prescription. A speaker or writer wh…
“Octopi is what's known as a hypercorrection” might also be overcorrection (meta-hypercorrection?) now that octopi is an understood plural with enough usage that it’s in some dictionaries.
Like sulfur becoming an accepted spelling of sulphur from frequent misspelling? “Okay no one can get it right so just make it that too”.
Re: Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law
#105Octopi I understand, but lobsters? They have less than half the nervous system of an ant [1]. Are individual ants sentient and worthy of legislating over? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of...
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#106Rock lobster? Jazz lobster
Blue(s) lobster
Re: Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's weird how use of the word "speciesism" implies that some place humans above other animals as a result of some kind of fallacy or irrational thinking, and not because we are humans and therefore more valuable to each other. Never mind the fact that we have consciousness and ego and complex nervous systems, whereas lobsters do not.
> not because we are humans and therefore more valuable to each other I value my children more than I value your children, but you will likely disagree with my assessment, even though it isn’t unexpected. And I would have to admit my assessment is not objective. > Never mind the fact that we have consciousness and ego and complex nervous systems, whereas lobsters do not. That’s how speciesism works: we try to find so…
That's why we try to deal with killings in a most humane way possible (basically a bullet to the head for larger animals, and cutting the neck for smaller ones).... not always, not everywhere, but we try, and we point the fingers at those who don't.
Animals on the other side really don't care:
Re: Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume that Dr Jonathan Birch, Associate Professor at LSE’s Centre for Philosophy of Natural and Social Science, and his team of scientists didn’t encounter this insightful perspective when they reviewed “over 300 scientific studies” in order to arrive at their conclusions… In seriousness though, this comment is a prime example of speciesism. Even if it were true that these crustaceans were “basically bugs” how doe…
The fact that this is just dawning on modern society is evidence that up until just a few generations ago, people were mainly occupied with not starving to death. Indeed, some ridiculously huge number of people worries about that today as well. The fact that we're able to even contemplate not harming animals is a sign of our enormous privilege.
Yep, especially since the animals are doing the same as we did in the past, even with humans:
Re: Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law
#109Octopi I understand, but lobsters? They have less than half the nervous system of an ant [1]. Are individual ants sentient and worthy of legislating over? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of...
Octopi is not the correct plural. Octopus is of greek origin, not latin. Thus, its greek plural is octopodes. And thus, since we don't tend to use greek plurals in english, the other proper plural is octopuses. Octopi is what's known as a hypercorrection. "A hypercorrection is non-standard use of language that results from the over-application of a perceived rule of language-usage prescription. A speaker or writer wh…
> Octopi is not the correct plural.
Octopi is not the most common plural, true.
> Octopus is of greek origin, not latin.
Octopus entered English from scientific Latin. In which the Greek plural was not used. (Lots of words in English fron languages other than their language of origin and have irregular English forms from their immediate source rather than their remote origin.)
“Octopi” appears to be the earliest English plural of octopus.
> Thus, its greek plural is octopodes.
“Thus” is incorrect there, but, yes, that is its Greek plural.
> And thus, since we don't tend to use greek plurals in english
But we do. Just not, until comparatively recently and never dominantly, in the case of “octopodes”.
> the other proper plural is octopuses.
That is the most common English plural, and you don't really need a (false) historical narrative to support that it is “proper” except coming from a broken prescriptivist framework.
> Octopi is what's known as a hypercorrection
Since its the oldest attested English plural, its not a hypercorrection, just (arguably) dated. Though its probably the most common incorrect example of hypercorrection.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-many-plura...
Re: Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law
#110Octopi I understand, but lobsters? They have less than half the nervous system of an ant [1]. Are individual ants sentient and worthy of legislating over? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of...
Octopi is not the correct plural. Octopus is of greek origin, not latin. Thus, its greek plural is octopodes. And thus, since we don't tend to use greek plurals in english, the other proper plural is octopuses. Octopi is what's known as a hypercorrection. "A hypercorrection is non-standard use of language that results from the over-application of a perceived rule of language-usage prescription. A speaker or writer wh…
Octopuses or octopodes are regarded as the correct pluralizations, for those who remember the HQ trivia scandal of 2017.
All three pluralizations are wrong in some ways, but acceptable. [1]
[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-many-plura...