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More Americans say they’re not planning to have a child, U.S. birthrate declines

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Re: More Americans say they’re not planning to have a child, U.S. birthrate declines

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The world is expected to have ~11B people by the year 2100. There are plenty of people even if some countries have declining birth rates. [1] Better immigration policies solve any problems that nations with declining birth rates might have but that requires having politicians that are willing to put aside xenophobic concerns to implement sensible immigration policies.

1: https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth

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Well, in America, children are just leverage to extract money from parents: healthcare, kindergartens, universities, all of them try to grab as much money as they can. Insufficient birthrate will be covered by immigration, until one day, just like in Rome, immigrants outnumber the natives and tell them to disappear.

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The world is expected to have ~11B people by the year 2100. There are plenty of people even if some countries have declining birth rates. [1] Better immigration policies solve any problems that nations with declining birth rates might have but that requires having politicians that are willing to put aside xenophobic concerns to implement sensible immigration policies. 1: https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-g…

1. North America has less of a "problem" than nearly everywhere else, since (overall) it has traditionally tolerated extremely high immigration rates, and potential migrants see it as a desirable destination.

Politicians reflect their voters' views. In most countries immigration rates are at least an order of magnitude too low to compensate for low fertility and will stay that way.

2. Most of the projected increase in global population is due to an expected increase in lifespan, meaning a greater number of old people. They don't have kids.

The big reservoirs of working-age people are in sub-Saharan Africa and rural India. Not many of them have the skills and funds to enable intercontinental migration. Yet.

Not sure why declining birth rate is a problem, though. Maybe we'll get around to automating some of the things.

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post #6

The world is expected to have ~11B people by the year 2100. There are plenty of people even if some countries have declining birth rates. [1] Better immigration policies solve any problems that nations with declining birth rates might have but that requires having politicians that are willing to put aside xenophobic concerns to implement sensible immigration policies. 1: https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-g…

1. North America has less of a "problem" than nearly everywhere else, since (overall) it has traditionally tolerated extremely high immigration rates, and potential migrants see it as a desirable destination. Politicians reflect their voters' views. In most countries immigration rates are at least an order of magnitude too low to compensate for low fertility and will stay that way. 2. Most of the projected increase i…

Good points. I'll elaborate what I meant by sensible immigration policies. Sensible immigration policies includes a better social safety net and education programs to allow people to immigrate even if at the moment they don't have the right skills or funds.

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Well, in America, children are just leverage to extract money from parents: healthcare, kindergartens, universities, all of them try to grab as much money as they can. Insufficient birthrate will be covered by immigration, until one day, just like in Rome, immigrants outnumber the natives and tell them to disappear.

Associated cost has a role in suppression of birth rate but even socialized countries have signifigant declines in birth rate

Re: More Americans say they’re not planning to have a child, U.S. birthrate declines

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Well, in America, children are just leverage to extract money from parents: healthcare, kindergartens, universities, all of them try to grab as much money as they can. Insufficient birthrate will be covered by immigration, until one day, just like in Rome, immigrants outnumber the natives and tell them to disappear.

> one day, just like in Rome, immigrants outnumber the natives and tell them to disappear.

Really? Wow, when did that happen?

I went to Rome 3 years ago and the overwhelming majority of people there were Italians. Even many of the tourists in the Vatican were from other parts of Italy.

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Well, in America, children are just leverage to extract money from parents: healthcare, kindergartens, universities, all of them try to grab as much money as they can. Insufficient birthrate will be covered by immigration, until one day, just like in Rome, immigrants outnumber the natives and tell them to disappear.

> one day, just like in Rome, immigrants outnumber the natives and tell them to disappear. Really? Wow, when did that happen? I went to Rome 3 years ago and the overwhelming majority of people there were Italians. Even many of the tourists in the Vatican were from other parts of Italy.

Looks like they got roped into the neonazi/"great replacement" stuff by someone (probably Facebook/YouTube algorithm).
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