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Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by pornel »

bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

In the same report Kia Niro EV is the second most reliable car in the ranking:

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf...

I think high reliability should be easier for EVs. Electric motors have fewer moving parts, and can be sealed. They don't need to withstand literally thousands of explosions per minute, or be open to outside air.

It seems that Tesla is just an outlier with their panel gaps and over-engineered falcon wing doors.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

dotancohen wrote: post #108
bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari. It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The pre…

> without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market.

This is the Great Man theory of history applied to industry. Without Tesla, someone else would have done it because the confluence of available technologies came together.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by alfor »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #13
alfor wrote: post #6

It would be very surprising that this represent real world experience. Tesla supercharger are everywhere and work well across the board, that is not the same experience with most fast DC charger. I think the the real world experience is the inverse of what the article suggest. Kia and Hyundai will make good competition on the low end

I've driven across the US a bunch with the goal of getting it over with as soon as possible, and I have no idea how you would do it in a way that doesn't constitute real world experience. It's mostly driving in a straight line on open road for hours upon hours. There's little room for divergent experiences. Also the Guinness record they beat was Tesla's old record so even if the test wasn't an accurate representation…

It’s all about the experience of fast charging.

- Do you find a charger near you

- Does it work?

- Does it charge your particular vehicle fast?

The rest is regular driving at mandated speed, nothing special with that.

Most DC fast charger have been a clusterfuck so far, with the exception of Tesla that control all of their system.

For sure it does represent only a tiny fraction of real world usage who is mostly to use your EV fully charged from home for daily commute.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by alfor »

bmitc wrote: post #16
alfor wrote: post #6

It would be very surprising that this represent real world experience. Tesla supercharger are everywhere and work well across the board, that is not the same experience with most fast DC charger. I think the the real world experience is the inverse of what the article suggest. Kia and Hyundai will make good competition on the low end

> Kia and Hyundai will make good competition on the low end The low end in price or quality? Because it’s price, yes, and quality, no. Hyundai and Kia make some of the most quality cars available and have extensive warranties, both far better than Tesla.

So far, what I have seen is copycat cars with LiFePo batteries (low range)

That may change.

The Korean will probably make the best cars after Tesla, GM, Ford will go out of business, the chinese cars will take over all the low cost cars.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by baybal2 »

lrem wrote: post #155
rich_sasha wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these scores age-adjusted? If not this is particularly damning, as Tesla has one of the youngest fleets of cars out there.

Model S was launched almost 10 years ago, that's enough to get a car out of shape. Then, we're talking about a first generation product of a company learning how to deal with any of that. I don't find it surprising they're not outstanding. In fact, I've seen a brand new Model 3 last year... The amount of manufacturing defects and design issues its owner found in the first week would be unthinkable for a Skoda Fabia.…

Tesla drivetrain is certainly not leaps, and bounds ahead.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by arcanon »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #202
dotancohen wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari. It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The pre…

> without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. This is the Great Man theory of history applied to industry. Without Tesla, someone else would have done it because the confluence of available technologies came together.

The Great Men behind Tesla were named Tom Gage and Alan Cocconi

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by kalleboo »

Xunxi wrote: post #7
akmarinov wrote: post #3

The EV6 has a lot of things equivalent Teslas don’t offer - cooled seats, 360 view cameras, Apple Carplay/Android Auto and it offers similar performance.

The world is such an odd and funny place now. My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days. I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value. Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hank…

The electronics for these trinkets are so cheap now though, that there is not much gained in removing them.

I drive a 2017 Suzuki Spacia, which is a bargain basement family micro- van (kei box car). It cost around $16,000 new, I got it for $8,000 used 2 years later.

It has auto emergency braking, lane departure warning, 360 degree parking cameras, CarPlay/Android Auto, and smaller niceties like auto lights, auto mirrors and keyless entry, and one power sliding door.

And it's a mild hybrid, so it has a Li-ion battery and electric motor assist (mild hybrid means it can't run on the electric motor only, it can only assist in acelleration).

All these trinkets for $16,000 i still find pretty impressive

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by jmpman »

digianarchist wrote: post #35
jmpman wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1129993_fire-concern-pr... I don’t remember Tesla recalling all their EVs for fire concerns.

Kia operates independently of Hyundai.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Electric_Global_Modu...

Looks like they’ll be using the same electric platform for future vehicles.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by jmpman »

epistasis wrote: post #176
tmh88j wrote: post #148

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> Then, I find everything about the interfaces vastly, immensely superior to anything I've seen in any other car. Having to open a menu for wipers is the opposite of that.

I disagree, modern wipers on auto sense just work. At least, they work far better than lane assisted cruise control. My major annoyance is the glove box. I probably only opened the glove box 3-4 times a year, but the inconvenience of navigating the touch screen for that far outweighs my cumulative annoyance about wipers, which is pretty nonexistent. I'm far more annoyed at massive view of the car and it's bad estimat…

I’ve started using voice commands to open the glove box. Much better than trying to find the button.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by jedberg »

QuarterReptile wrote: post #181
jedberg wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually drove one for an extended test drive. Even the brand new car had stuff that wasn't on straight and already coming apart.

That's a shame to hear; I thought the pacifica hybrid seemed like a good option for my own upcoming purchase, especially since I would've been able to do the vast majority of my non-travel miles on the battery. I'm guessing you went with a Honda?

I went with the Honda, yes. They had just launched the new model and it checked all the boxes.

But you should still check out the Pacifica. It might be a lot better now, four years later.

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