Earlier quoted context omitted.
If history is any indication the answer to both of those were "they were wrong" and "caused severe financial issues to the company, if it didn't bankrupt them entirely"
Exactly, the point of the comment being that generous defined benefit pension schemes probably aren’t some paneceal solution that capital is now withholding, but that they were at best a burden and at worst a lie.
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#162> “Don’t buy stocks when the P/E ratio is over 20” was a good lesson to learn from the 1970s when interest rates were 7%, the Fed hadn’t yet learned what it’s capable of, and most businesses were cyclical manufacturing companies vs. asset-light digital services. Is it relevant today? At a broad, philosophical level, yes. In practical terms, probably not. In the same sense, buying stocks at all seemed like nothing but…
> They simply can't do it and rather extrapolate current conditions to infinity. This is what I think more people should be paying attention to. I keep seeing the FIRE(financially independent; retire early) people talk about the returns they have gotten the past 100 years, not taking into account that the first 50 of those years saw tremendous growth, and the last of those 50 years saw tremendous stagnation and debt…
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
One wonders about the actuarial assumptions made by your uncle’s former employer and how, or if, they expected to meet that obligation.
The financial planning is the same, the difference is just in who takes responsibility. The bottom line is that many people had this as a benefit and now very few do. What's unchanged is most people spend less time thinking about their pension throughout their lifespan than they do about almost anything else you can imagine, but they really should be because it's all on their shoulders now. Here in the UK it seems we…
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
we avoid negativity during brainstorming to create psychological safety. that in turn expands the boundaries of creativity. the process doesn't end there however, which is what your criticism sems to assume, since we need to winnow down the ideas generated to a feasible subset, and then further to a pursued option. this latter part is where criticism (but not negativity) is employed to iterate toward the chosen optio…
To your point about psychological safety, that is actually reason to have an initial phase of idea generation occur individually before meeting in a group. Even a fully "positive-only" group likely inhibits divergent thinking to some degree. Regarding groups, research challenges your claim that avoiding criticism during brainstorming "expands the boundaries of creativity", and that criticism is only useful for "winno…
idea-focused criticism (rather than people-focused) can hone decision-making, but we still need that psychological safety to get the best outcomes. these things can both be true at the same time, and we can both succeed and fail at fostering either or both and not get the best outcome.
just as we might criticize an overly safety-oriented decision-making process, criticism-oriented decision-making processes tend to degenerate into contests of aggression, which tend to produce inferior outcomes. dogmatism in any direction doesn't help.
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#165> “Don’t buy stocks when the P/E ratio is over 20” was a good lesson to learn from the 1970s when interest rates were 7%, the Fed hadn’t yet learned what it’s capable of, and most businesses were cyclical manufacturing companies vs. asset-light digital services. Is it relevant today? At a broad, philosophical level, yes. In practical terms, probably not. In the same sense, buying stocks at all seemed like nothing but…
> They simply can't do it and rather extrapolate current conditions to infinity. This is what I think more people should be paying attention to. I keep seeing the FIRE(financially independent; retire early) people talk about the returns they have gotten the past 100 years, not taking into account that the first 50 of those years saw tremendous growth, and the last of those 50 years saw tremendous stagnation and debt…
We are there. QE is the next thing. I think they understand now that raising interest rate quickly will kill the housing market like in 2007. So they need inflation while slowly raising rates.
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#166Hilarious that he had to write all of this just to be able to sneak in a justification for MMT in the last paragraph. This is a complete fallacy. Don't listen to reason or experts, the world has changed! Don't worry about debt and deficits, we've invented fiscal policy(which has been around since forever), that old wisdom no longer applies! Believe it if you want. We live more or less in a society with free markets w…
> you think MMT is great and will have no consequences Doesn't MMT just tell us that we should focus on inflation instead of The Deficit? I don't think any of its adherents believe that printing money is consequence-free; rather, MMT states that over-printing money will eventually result in inflation, and we can choose to respond to that inflation by either reigning in government spending (which enables us to dial ba…
While this is roughly aligned with some of MMTs talking points, I don't think you can reduce MMT to just this. At a minimum these talking points have some other implications like:
1) Our current congress is capable of reigning in spending
- I strongly disagree that there is any political will power to do this regardless of inflation. The last time we ran a budget surplus was 2001. Interest payments + treasury spending + social security / medicare pay as you gos are currently 111% of all tax receipts. So even if we want to reduce spending it's not really clear how you do that without putting SS/ medicare payments on hold because the Federal government is running a deficit EVEN IF YOU ELIMINATE 100% OF DISCRETIONARY SPENDING FROM THE BUDGET. And that still implies that if you wanted to have just a decrease in the deficit you would have to spend less on defense which is never going to happen. Yeah you could cut veterans spending, transportation or education (probably not in reality) but it wouldn't matter, they are a margin of error of the deficit.
https://fiscal.treasury.gov/files/reports-statements/mts/mts...
https://twitter.com/lukegromen/status/1359529371875356672
2) That the timeframes of tax policy decisions exist on the same time scale as would be necessary to use tax policy decisions to regulate inflation.
- This is the core fallacy of MMT, even much more so than point 1. Maybe congress can figure out how to reduce spending, maybe if for no other reason than spite by a congress controlled by a different party then the president. But the idea that there is any feasible way to fine tune taxation to manage inflation on a fast enough timescale to be useful is beyond the pale. We get maybe one meaningful tax plan per president and even that is a battle every single time. so we are talking about maybe on average a meaningful change to tax policy every 6 years.
Yet how fast did inflation just jump? We went from a CPI of nothing to 5+ in a few months. Who is this magical bureaucrat who just jumps in and fine tunes the taxes to account for this? It simply does not exist and will not exist any time soon without a major political revolution in America.
But the problem is the policy is justified based on the idea that micromanaging velocity and money supply is possible but any time I've heard an MMTer questioned on this point, they openly admit that this part would need to be worked out when the times comes.
Anyway, no obligation to agree with me. But as I said, be sure you know what you're talking about if it's your own money on the line.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
>He worked at one company his whole career, Which was one of the issues with defined benefit plans. They were structured around long employee tenure. Move around every few years and you basically got no pension most of the time. I personally think it's unfortunate that most people won't have defined benefit plans any longer. (I'm glad I'll have one from a long-ago 10+ year job whenever I decide to start collecting.)…
In the UK the law was changed such that people were given the freedom to transfer out of their defined benefit schemes, and most were paid handsome lump sums for doing so because the schemes were desperately underfunded and wanted people out
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#168> “Don’t buy stocks when the P/E ratio is over 20” was a good lesson to learn from the 1970s when interest rates were 7%, the Fed hadn’t yet learned what it’s capable of, and most businesses were cyclical manufacturing companies vs. asset-light digital services. Is it relevant today? At a broad, philosophical level, yes. In practical terms, probably not. In the same sense, buying stocks at all seemed like nothing but…
The problem is we're all now dependent on stock market performance to make retirement feasible. Employer guaranteed defined-benefit pension schemes are dead. My uncles pension scheme was structured to pay out 1.5% of his final salary, inflation adjusted for the rest of his life, for each year he'd worked. He worked at one company his whole career, from age 18 to age 55, when he retired. Factoring in his mortgage, whi…
Which seems a bit convenient for the wealthy. I think it was intentional, to align the interests of pensioners with the wealthy.
It seems to me that pensions are one thing governments can do a good job at, because companies may fail but the government is much less likely to be unable to pay retirement benefits. They may need to renegotiate the benefits but they won’t go to zero. And if companies fail the government provides a pension of last resort anyway.
Either way, we have set up a system where those with assets are slightly in the majority (65% home ownership, probably similar number with 401ks or stocks [1] 56%) and so will continue to vote themselves benefits at the expense of those who haven’t already acquired assets.
[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/266807/percentage-americans-own...
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#170This seems to assume that experts' advice can only be valued (or not) as an appeal to authority. But that would ignore that experts can also provide _explanations_: "This won't work because this subsystem would violate the laws of physics" e.g. -- and that explanation might then spur someone to find an equivalent subsystem without that flaw, or perhaps one would find a flaw in the initial reasoning, or whatever. Simi…
To me, this is a big thing that survivorship bias overlooks, to the detriment of us all. Taking Edison's "1000 failures to invent a lightbulb" can often be more instructive than the end result, even if you're not interested in inventing lightbulbs.
> The advice to be wary of experts reminds me of the advice to avoid criticism while brainstorming, the idea in common being that criticism and negativity supposedly stifles creativity.
I think the admonition to avoid criticism during brainstorming is so that any idea, no matter how infeasible, may be put forth. As I've understood it, this period of "unfettered criticism" should be markedly short, and while ideas will be recorded for future reference (and perhaps modification), they can safely be winnowed under the harsh criticism of reality after the brainstorming session.
That said, it has been common sense for quite some time that having a "box to think in" can help foster creative solutions to escaping the box.