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Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands
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#93Fuck San Francisco. Fuck California.
Most of the SF city politicians should be executed for their covid war crimes (amongst all the others). SF Mayor London Breed's boyfriend was arrested by the FBI for drum beat bribery WRT to ... wait for it.... FUCKING CLEANING UP TRASH:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/01/31/san...
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
And it's a good model I think, to take some responsibility for public property. Not just "your sidewalk", as in the sidewalk that touches your private yard, but also "your street", "your town center", and "your local parks". I'm not interested in hearing about if it's "your job" or "your trash", if there's a situation you are unhappy about, and you can directly impact it, why not do so? I live in Oakland, CA, just of…
I pick up litter when out in nature, because I don't think anyone but me will pick it up. In a city like San Francisco there's a multi-billion dollar budget and a sanitation department that tax payers pay for so that they won't have to do it themselves. It's ridiculous to pay taxes and then be told to clean street trash if you don't like it.
Yup. There are doggie bags on my pack despite the fact I've never owned a dog. There's also a larger trash bag in the pack in case I encounter larger stuff and am in a position to bring it out. (I only pick up larger stuff if I'm not going to be making much more use of my poles. Otherwise it's just too much of a pain handling a trash bag and my poles.)
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great question. Maybe markets aren't a functional solution to problems of public commons? I can't think of a community problem where a market-based solution even helped, let alone solved the problem.
> I can't think of a community problem where a market-based solution even helped, let alone solved the problem. While I agree that the market isn't the panacea and God it's portrayed to be, I didn't understand the GP that way. Your point goes much too far the other way. Most of most community problems are solved by 'free' markets, including food (most food is bought and sold in the market), much of transportation (ca…
Food and shelter clearly aren't solved by the free market, or malnutrition and homelessness wouldn't be so prevelant. It just moves the problem to someone or somewhere else, and has to be augmented by public funds to keep the problems from exploding. And transportation isn't even close to a free market... when is the last time you traveled somewhere entirely on private unsubsidized infrastructure? You can't even leave your driveway.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but it also sends the message that shooting up heroin is tolerated, even encouraged So what? An addict is going to shoot up whether it’s tolerated or not, and non-addicts aren’t going to take up heroin because they say a billboard. If you really want to end it, it’s going to need to be a lot more comprehensive, expensive, and expansive than the presence or absence of a billboard.
okay, how about we put up billboards saying >When you smash a window to rob a store, be careful not to cut yourself on the glass. Wear thick gloves. after all, a billboard is not going to stop a burglar, is it? and if we're going to have burglaries, it's better that the burglars don't injure themselves while committing their crimes, because after all it will reduce the burden on hospitals. it will also protect the st…
Why would you put up those billboards? What's the intent? Is there an epidemic of burglars bleeding to death in the streets? Sure it makes a good analogy, but it has nothing to do with the reality we live in. We don't live in a hypothetical world, so it's appropriate to consider methods that are specific to the realities of the world we really do live in.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
And it's a good model I think, to take some responsibility for public property. Not just "your sidewalk", as in the sidewalk that touches your private yard, but also "your street", "your town center", and "your local parks". I'm not interested in hearing about if it's "your job" or "your trash", if there's a situation you are unhappy about, and you can directly impact it, why not do so? I live in Oakland, CA, just of…
I pick up litter when out in nature, because I don't think anyone but me will pick it up. In a city like San Francisco there's a multi-billion dollar budget and a sanitation department that tax payers pay for so that they won't have to do it themselves. It's ridiculous to pay taxes and then be told to clean street trash if you don't like it.
This idea that a lot of money is involved therefore every imaginable need must be fully covered is extremely dangerous and unreasonable. Just one example of how this goes is residents have pushed the City to take responsibility for trimming of all street trees which used to be the responsibility of property owners. The result is a lot of trees either ignored or hacked to death by untrained workers in a hurry. Large amounts of money are not infinite amounts of money and still have to be carefully managed in order to get good results and make reasonable trade offs.
Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands
#99why does the local council not employ people to clean the streets?
Why would you think a serious problem is necessarily simple to solve? Money for maintenance and cleanup is limited. San Francisco has legions of homeless, troubled, and then a big layer of irresponsible rebels on top of all of that. The idea that one of the greatest accumulations of irregulars and undesirables would be simple to clean up after does not correspond at all to the real scale of the problem. How many thousands of unhoused live in your city?
Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I pick up litter when out in nature, because I don't think anyone but me will pick it up. In a city like San Francisco there's a multi-billion dollar budget and a sanitation department that tax payers pay for so that they won't have to do it themselves. It's ridiculous to pay taxes and then be told to clean street trash if you don't like it.
This idea that a lot of money is involved therefore every imaginable need must be fully covered is extremely dangerous and unreasonable. Just one example of how this goes is residents have pushed the City to take responsibility for trimming of all street trees which used to be the responsibility of property owners. The result is a lot of trees either ignored or hacked to death by untrained workers in a hurry. Large a…
Hes not asking that “every imaginable need be fully covered”.
He’s asking for the well funded sanitation department to do their job.