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Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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This article talks about their new electric sedan and future SUV.

And here I am still waiting on electric minivan. I regularly have to carry six people around, two of which are children and two of which are elderly, so I can't use anything that requires climbing to get into the seats (like every six seat SUV).

Am I really that small of a market that no one wants to make an electric minivan, or is it a technologically difficult problem?

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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I just finished 2k+ california => florida road trip in an electric car and can say with confidence that this comparison is total and utter garbage. Here are the factors that influence your total charge time. 1. Charger speeds vary from 50 kWh to 250 kWh. That's 5x difference just based on what charger you'll happen to use. 2. The energy usage (due to air resistance) is non-linear with speed. Driving at 85 mph could u…

Nit: kWh measures energy (battery capacity), and kW measures power (charger output )

Tesla Superchargers are 250 kW. Tesla Destination Chargers (and probably the majority of other EV chargers) are 50 kW.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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post #61

This article talks about their new electric sedan and future SUV. And here I am still waiting on electric minivan. I regularly have to carry six people around, two of which are children and two of which are elderly, so I can't use anything that requires climbing to get into the seats (like every six seat SUV). Am I really that small of a market that no one wants to make an electric minivan, or is it a technologically…

Not fully electric, but there is a plugin hybrid minivan: https://www.chrysler.com/pacifica/hybrid.html

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Weird seeing this ranked so high. The record in this situation isn't anything anyone has tried to "beat" before, nor is it something anyone called a "record" until Kia tried. In fact it's just a side note from a six year old press hit Tesla did where they drove a Model S across the country in like 60 hours or something. And while doing so, it spent twelve hours on chargers. (Again, this was back in the days of the 75 kW v1 supercharger).

Well, Kia dusted that off and drove their new car across the country. And they took a week to do it, but in the process it was only being charged for seven hours.

To be fair: 800V cars do indeed charge faster! It seems like a nice car. But this is just silly.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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post #61

This article talks about their new electric sedan and future SUV. And here I am still waiting on electric minivan. I regularly have to carry six people around, two of which are children and two of which are elderly, so I can't use anything that requires climbing to get into the seats (like every six seat SUV). Am I really that small of a market that no one wants to make an electric minivan, or is it a technologically…

Unfortunately I think it’s just a smaller market. SUVs are easy to make and REALLY popular.

The only thing that might be a problem is that there’s a thickness to the battery. Because SUVs are higher up it’s sort of easy to “hide“. But since minivans are much lower there may not be much space between the battery and the bottom of the car to put one.

But more than anything I would guess it’s a demand thing.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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post #52
post #30

I just finished 2k+ california => florida road trip in an electric car and can say with confidence that this comparison is total and utter garbage. Here are the factors that influence your total charge time. 1. Charger speeds vary from 50 kWh to 250 kWh. That's 5x difference just based on what charger you'll happen to use. 2. The energy usage (due to air resistance) is non-linear with speed. Driving at 85 mph could u…

> The energy usage (due to air resistance) is non-linear with speed. Driving at 85 mph could use twice as much energy as driving at 65 mph. Does this mean I'll use twice as much gas when driving an ICE car at 85 vs 65? Or do gas cars have a higher constant factor or something that makes air resistance relatively less important?

> Does this mean I'll use twice as much gas when driving an ICE car at 85 vs 65?

Probably closer to 50% more, because while drag is roughly proportional to the square of speed (which would yield ~70% more with this speed difference), there is also rolling resistance and powertrain losses - so the function of energy consumption vs speed is of the form: ax^2 + bx + c("c" being accessories like air conditioning).

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

#67

Traveling USA coast to coast a Kia spent about 7 hours of travel time charging whereas a Tesla in an earlier trip spent about 12 hours. Whether this means chargers have gotten faster or cars are charging faster or something else is hard to tell.

> a Tesla in an earlier trip

It was a Model S P85D in 2015!

Here's the original source, FWIW. InsideEVs basically dug around to find something comparable and called it a "record": https://insideevs.com/news/548679/kia-ev6-charging-record-us...

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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post #61

This article talks about their new electric sedan and future SUV. And here I am still waiting on electric minivan. I regularly have to carry six people around, two of which are children and two of which are elderly, so I can't use anything that requires climbing to get into the seats (like every six seat SUV). Am I really that small of a market that no one wants to make an electric minivan, or is it a technologically…

Not fully electric, but there is a plugin hybrid minivan: https://www.chrysler.com/pacifica/hybrid.html

I actually almost bought that instead of my current minivan, but the build quality on it wasn't very good and more importantly it's all electric range was tiny (like 30 miles).

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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post #61

This article talks about their new electric sedan and future SUV. And here I am still waiting on electric minivan. I regularly have to carry six people around, two of which are children and two of which are elderly, so I can't use anything that requires climbing to get into the seats (like every six seat SUV). Am I really that small of a market that no one wants to make an electric minivan, or is it a technologically…

Sounds like a Tesla model X fits your needs thanks to the falcon wings.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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post #25

The EV6 has a lot of things equivalent Teslas don’t offer - cooled seats, 360 view cameras, Apple Carplay/Android Auto and it offers similar performance.

Kia's EV reliability > Teslas is maybe the biggest win.

For being such cheap cars, Kia on the whole is actually fairly reliable. They have been pretty easy to do maintenance / repairs on. My family has had two Kia Rios and a Niro.

Kia also loads up the options on the second trim up (the bottom trim is often stripped down). You do get a lot for the money.

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