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UC slams the door on standardized admissions tests, nixing any SAT alternative

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Re: UC slams the door on standardized admissions tests, nixing any SAT alternative

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As a Cal grad this is an easy reason to point to the next time I reject an alumni donation call. If the goal is to accept more students on merit, this is a big failure in my opinion: rich kids can just game the “holistic” admissions with opportunities not available to middle/lower class students (“volunteer” trips, extracurriculars, etc.).

Can they “game” themselves into being designated as African American?

Re: UC slams the door on standardized admissions tests, nixing any SAT alternative

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This is a positive development. We need to minimize the extent to which people are exposed to math (which quite obviously reeks of white supremacy, according to like everyone I know including the Gates Foundation) [1] https://www.newsweek.com/math-suffers-white-supremacy-accord... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29273406

The problem with math is its cornerstone concept of "one truth" that can be objectively proven based on other absolute truths. This one dogmatic truth, created by whites (here I'm spitting on the floor), completely disregards personal experiences and the fact that some people may want to see the truth differently.

On a serious note, I remember the day a math professor explained the concept of "proof" to me, that was a revelation that fixed my mind. I totally expect that the majority sees math as a sorcery that can be amended to personal needs.

Re: UC slams the door on standardized admissions tests, nixing any SAT alternative

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post #4

As a Cal grad this is an easy reason to point to the next time I reject an alumni donation call. If the goal is to accept more students on merit, this is a big failure in my opinion: rich kids can just game the “holistic” admissions with opportunities not available to middle/lower class students (“volunteer” trips, extracurriculars, etc.).

Can they “game” themselves into being designated as African American?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

And more do Native American. That's an easier one to check on the checkboxes for whites. That's why there has been an exponential increase of the self-identified "Native American" population since the 1960s. Elizabeth Warren is one of the more famous self-identified Native Americans (her siblings never knew they were).

In the last census their increase has been the most in the richest counties in the US with the most number of applications to elite colleges.

Re: UC slams the door on standardized admissions tests, nixing any SAT alternative

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This is a positive development. We need to minimize the extent to which people are exposed to math (which quite obviously reeks of white supremacy, according to like everyone I know including the Gates Foundation) [1] https://www.newsweek.com/math-suffers-white-supremacy-accord... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29273406

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Re: UC slams the door on standardized admissions tests, nixing any SAT alternative

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These false flag diversity initiatives are there to entrench the privileged white elite who are threatened by the children of often 1st generation immigrants.

From the article:

UC admissions officers have said they were able to thoroughly evaluate the flood of applications without test scores, using 13 other factors in the system’s review process, such as a student’s high school grade-point average, the rigor of courses taken, special talents, essays and extracurricular activities.

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Special talents and extracurricular activities are great filters for the privileged. Nothing like the academic promise of fencing and rowing. The Winkelvoss twins from Greenwich Connecticut attended Harvard through the white elite loophole of rowing.

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This is why there is an allergy to making it based on class and being poor. I doubt any poor blacks or Hispanics will benefit from this.

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Interesting book on this matter:

Reflections Of An Affirmative Action Baby Paperback – August 24, 1992

https://www.amazon.com/Reflections-Affirmative-Action-Stephe...

Re: UC slams the door on standardized admissions tests, nixing any SAT alternative

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>a student’s high school grade-point average, the rigor of courses taken, special talents, essays and extracurricular activities.

All of these metrics seem MUCH more gameable than the SAT. Sure, buying an SAT practice test book might bump your score up by 20 points. But if you look at the rigor of courses available, that is going to vary DRASTICALLY from school to school. At least when I was in high school, poorer schools had a lot less to offer in terms of AP classes, and wealthy people have obvious advantages when it comes to extracurricular activities and some "special talents"

Re: UC slams the door on standardized admissions tests, nixing any SAT alternative

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This is a positive development. We need to minimize the extent to which people are exposed to math (which quite obviously reeks of white supremacy, according to like everyone I know including the Gates Foundation) [1] https://www.newsweek.com/math-suffers-white-supremacy-accord... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29273406

You're referencing one weird out of context quote (which sounds like it was since clarified) from one nonprofit who got funding from the Gates Foundation.

It seems somewhat disingenuous to make the claim that the Gates Foundation thinks Math is White Supremacy based on that.

Re: UC slams the door on standardized admissions tests, nixing any SAT alternative

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post #4

As a Cal grad this is an easy reason to point to the next time I reject an alumni donation call. If the goal is to accept more students on merit, this is a big failure in my opinion: rich kids can just game the “holistic” admissions with opportunities not available to middle/lower class students (“volunteer” trips, extracurriculars, etc.).

Can they “game” themselves into being designated as African American?

California public universities are not allowed to look at race in admissions, so gaming racial designation wouldn't help.

Re: UC slams the door on standardized admissions tests, nixing any SAT alternative

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post #18

This is a positive development. We need to minimize the extent to which people are exposed to math (which quite obviously reeks of white supremacy, according to like everyone I know including the Gates Foundation) [1] https://www.newsweek.com/math-suffers-white-supremacy-accord... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29273406

You're referencing one weird out of context quote (which sounds like it was since clarified) from one nonprofit who got funding from the Gates Foundation. It seems somewhat disingenuous to make the claim that the Gates Foundation thinks Math is White Supremacy based on that.

The Gates Foundation is responsible for doing due diligence of those it invests in. Investing one million dollars is endorsing the organization's ideals.

Out of context? Do you realize how many times the phrase "White supremacy" shows up in their manifesto "A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction"? They reference "white supremacy" a total of FIFTY TWO times[0].

[0] https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11...

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