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Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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the person you are replying to never said otherwise

"SUV" is a marketting term that came into common use in the 80's in America. There is no commonly agreed-upon definition of an SUV, and usage of the term varies between countries. Thus, it is "a loose term that traditionally covers a broad range of vehicles with four-wheel drive." As such I am happy to claim, given there is no formal definition of what is and what isnt an SUV; that they dont exist at all, if only wis…

they said "truck/suv", not "suv"

pretty sure members of ((the set "truck") + (the set "suv")) have existed for more than 50 years, because that union includes trucks

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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> On topic though, if they are so unreliable, why are do they have such high consumer satisfaction ratings? Because when you buy expensive toys and show them to your friends you cannot admit that they are crap ? It happens all the time.

I'm still surprised there is so little backlash against going through the touchscreen for all the controls. Lack of a dedicated on/off/volume knob for the soundsystem is such a dealbreaker for me. Anything that adds more steps to a process is not an improvement. Maybe there is something I am missing. The other controls that are normally on sticks on the steering column would be annoying at first but I think I might g…

When I first got my Model 3, I couldn't stand the touch screen.

I'm still not a fan. The UI is objectively terrible in many situations. That said, I can honestly say that it's not that big of a deal for me.

Lack of tactile feedback is a big deal though.

But, it's sort of moot. Interactions that require I be looking at the screen and carefully touching icons are typically the kinds of things I'd want to do while parked anyhow. Tinkering with settings, for example, or entering an address for navigation.

A lot of interactions you might do in a "normal" car are also reduced or eliminated. For example, I often need to adjust vents and turn knobs for climate control while driving in my "normal" car. Even though I can tell it to set the air temp to a specific value, it still needs intervention frequently to feel right.

In the Model 3, the climate control just works. If I set it to 70F, it feels like 70F. It's a thing I find myself never even thinking about.

> Lack of a dedicated on/off/volume knob for the soundsystem is such a dealbreaker for me.

The steering wheel has a scroll wheel that can control volume and pause audio. The sound system is never really off though. The car still emits warning sounds through the sound system, for example.

In practice, the scroll wheel thing has worked just fine for me. I've not tried to see what happens when the AM/FM radio is playing; I suspect "pausing" that would either do nothing or mute the audio.

Before getting used to it, the Model 3 seems comically devoid of controls, and it seems ridiculous. But with use, it start to feel totally normal. At least that's my experience.

For what it's worth, I was on the fence about Tesla for ages. I wouldn't have one now if I hadn't inherited it from a family member. I probably wouldn't buy one today, even after having grown to love the Model 3.

That said, I would jump at a much more economical version of the Model 3. One that's just an EV. It doesn't need a glass roof, heated leather seats, folding mirrors, robotic door handles, etc. It just needs to be like the cheapest Kia money can buy, except with a Tesla powertrain.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Nothing you have said has been based in reality. You haven't given any sources for what you said or reasons for your predictions. It's obvious this is just a motivated rant from your frustrations with tesla's stock price, silicon valley and who knows what else.

For you reality is only about the price of the stock. By the same token you'd have thought that Amazon was the best thing since sliced bread back in 1999 Then when it crashed 97% you'd have thought it was on its deathbed ready to be cannibalized by Barnes&Noble Then when it reached new peaks after 2010 up to now...right back up there being the best thing since sliced bread. In reality the analysis of the balance shee…

You are so frustrated you are thinking this is a some sort of 'tesla good / tesla bad' argument where you can vent and throw out unsourced claims. All I've said from the beginning is what tesla's market cap is right now and that it is not a scam no matter how upset you are about it. Just admit that your claims were hyperbolic.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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Looking forward to see how Elon tweets himself out of this one.

Tesla has been near the bottom of CR reliability rankings for a while, this isn’t new. My Mazda dealership had the CR list prominently on display (with Mazda at the top last year). Musk has dismissed the CR rankings while touting Teslas’s great scores on crash tests and safety, and their sales numbers and apparent popularity. My comment was sarcastic. I know several Tesla owners who seem very happy with their choice.…

CR has been compromised for a while....

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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post #124

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Tesla has been near the bottom of CR reliability rankings for a while, this isn’t new. My Mazda dealership had the CR list prominently on display (with Mazda at the top last year). Musk has dismissed the CR rankings while touting Teslas’s great scores on crash tests and safety, and their sales numbers and apparent popularity. My comment was sarcastic. I know several Tesla owners who seem very happy with their choice.…

CR has been compromised for a while....

You have some evidence, or just a drive by?

Tesla’s reliability and quality problems have been discussed in numerous forums, not just CR.

It’s possible that Tesla cars are actually top quality and reliable, and the company is the victim of a conspiracy with Consumer Reports paying a part to tear Tesla down. It’s also possible that Elon Musk can’t walk on water and starting up a car business from scratch is harder than it looks.

Re: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

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the person you are replying to never said otherwise

Hmm, I must had misunderstood then, my bad. When they said trucks and SUVs have been out of style for 50 years … that to me implied that they were around 50 years ago (how can something that doesn’t exist go out of style? :))

It seems the root of the misunderstanding is interpreting the slash (/) as "and", when it really means "and/or", in this case, or
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