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Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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why does the local council not employ people to clean the streets?

They do. The government is just ineffective at its job.

That's what happens when people just vote for their party for local government—politicians don't have good ideas or successful policies cause they don't have to to stay in office

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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why does the local council not employ people to clean the streets?

this is a city that puts up billboards telling junkies how to "safely" shoot up heroin

You're not going to stop a junkie from shooting up (without a comprehensive, life-changing program). So barring that, you might as well teach them how to be more safe so they don't end up in a hospital spending your tax money for emergency care... or worse, dead somewhere and likewise then consuming public funds to deal with it.

[added] Since this is such a controversial topic, I would recommend reading about Portugal's approach to solving drug problems (hint, it has been quite successful(): https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug-decriminalisation-in-po...

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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I just don't understand why throwing trash on the ground is tolerated. There is virtually no argument for why someone should need or be allowed to throw or leave their trash on the ground. Most of us manage to get clothes on before we leave the house each day, and that's a lot more complicated than just putting trash into a bin (or god forbid, carrying it until you reach a destination which has a trash bin). So there…

Singapore generally has very clean streets, but the price is very high fines.

I like the idea of a $1000 fine or community service spent cleaning up trash.

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do. The government is just ineffective at its job.

It's very odd, here in Australia they're very effective at it, very rarely do I walk past garbage piles. I guess people in San Francisco just don't care enough to really push the council to solve the problem?

Isn't it that they're also saying 'it's too expensive to live here, keep taxes low' or 'it's too expensive to live here, I won't, I'll consume things and leave rubbish and them go home [and pay tax] elsewhere'?

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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post #2

why does the local council not employ people to clean the streets?

this is a city that puts up billboards telling junkies how to "safely" shoot up heroin

which is an important, proven way to save lives.

responsible treatment of drug addicts =/= the government somehow telling people to throw trash in the streets.

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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post #12
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is a city that puts up billboards telling junkies how to "safely" shoot up heroin

You're not going to stop a junkie from shooting up (without a comprehensive, life-changing program). So barring that, you might as well teach them how to be more safe so they don't end up in a hospital spending your tax money for emergency care... or worse, dead somewhere and likewise then consuming public funds to deal with it. [added] Since this is such a controversial topic, I would recommend reading about Portuga…

You can stop a junkie from shooting up by imprisoning them, or better yet, putting them through drug rehab.

Everything else is not a solution and only exacerbates the problem.

There's nothing safe about staying addicted to drugs.

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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post #8

In Taiwan the locals, usually the elderly, sweep and clean near their own houses or the parks where they congregate. Some do it as part of a neighborhood group, while others clean parks and areas near temples for religious reasons. Good way to build community. On another note, let people read without pop-ups please.

In Canada they clear the snow/ice from the pavement in front of their own house. I've since heard it's (in at least some areas?) required though, which ruined the image a bit. (And sort of odd isn't it? Instead of taxing you and providing you with this service, we'll require you to do it? Seems inefficient.)

This is true in most of the U.S. as well. If you've got a sidewalk in front of your house, you'll get a fine if you don't clear the snow 24-36 hours after the end of a snowstorm.

A workaround is to buy your home in a neighborhood without sidewalks.

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Canada they clear the snow/ice from the pavement in front of their own house. I've since heard it's (in at least some areas?) required though, which ruined the image a bit. (And sort of odd isn't it? Instead of taxing you and providing you with this service, we'll require you to do it? Seems inefficient.)

This is true in most of the U.S. as well. If you've got a sidewalk in front of your house, you'll get a fine if you don't clear the snow 24-36 hours after the end of a snowstorm. A workaround is to buy your home in a neighborhood without sidewalks.

> A workaround is to buy your home in a neighborhood without sidewalks.

...or where it doesn't snow.

Re: Clean Streets: People taking San Francisco’s trash into their own hands

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post #10

I just don't understand why throwing trash on the ground is tolerated. There is virtually no argument for why someone should need or be allowed to throw or leave their trash on the ground. Most of us manage to get clothes on before we leave the house each day, and that's a lot more complicated than just putting trash into a bin (or god forbid, carrying it until you reach a destination which has a trash bin). So there…

Singapore generally has very clean streets, but the price is very high fines. I like the idea of a $1000 fine or community service spent cleaning up trash.

I'm not convinced that a fine is going to change someone's behavior. It may put them in a regretful financial bind, but it's really a short-term pain. Spending a week cleaning trash is definitely something they will remember! (and for sure they will complain to friends and family who will then maybe be less likely to litter themselves)
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