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Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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post #106

Alfa Romeo Giulietta. They stopped making it in 2000 and it was not sold in US for much longer. But there are lots of them in perfect state in Europe.

They stopped making the Giulietta last December. It's being replaced by a small SUV.

Typo, yep. Last produced in 2020.

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This reminds me some years ago looking for a good high resolution TV without these "embedded OS and smart apps". My plan was to use my Apple TV and regular tv cables. I could not find it, it does not exist.

The answer is buy any tv and never connect it to the internet. I have a "smart" tv. it functions exactly the same as my old dumb tv. The only buttons I use on the remote are power, input, left and right to select the xbox or computer, and volume. Same story as it was in the dumb tv era. the smart tv experience is entirely optional.

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They're not there for you to like them. They're there so you don't kill someone and someone else doesn't kill you. Society collectively fails to give a single ass of a rat about how people feel about their ubiquitous 2-ton death machine.

As I explained in my another comment on this thread, sometimes they can behave unpredictably — eg. car brakes without a need — causing someone else to crash into you (these are most common crashes I see in the city streets). Perhaps they are not useful for me because I am a very attentive driver (eg. I prefer not to talk on the phone even with the BT hands-free system while driving because it takes my attention away…

> I am a very attentive driver

Everyone thinks they're a great driver.

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I'm surprised by the tone of the responses here so far. As much as we might or might not like the new digital user interfaces in modern cars, the value of the safety features like automatic braking and collision avoidance is pretty much beyond contest at this point[0]. Before you buy a car without these features, consider that you are probably not as good of a driver as you think you are. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih…

It's not about what it does but how it does it.

It does it frustratingly annoyingly intrusively and so on.

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Annoyingly, I want an electric car without "digitilization". No distracting central touch screen, no "autopilot" nonsense, proper gauges and indicators, tactile feel. A focus on the driving and safety and ergonomics, not on "we don't need an instrument cluster because iPads are cool, people like their phones and buttons are expensive and break"... A Saab 900 with an electric motor. Please make it.

DIY conversions are quite possible. Go find an old car, rip out the old engine, put in the electric engine. It clearly is more complex than that, as there is wiring involved and you need to match it up to the transmission, but if you really want an old car with an electric motor, it is an achievable goal.

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Mazda seems to be heading the right direction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20200335

The right direction, true. Touch screens are cheaper to design and build for, compared to physical controls, but do they benefit the safety or convenience of the driver? I don't think so. However, apart from the touch screen being optional, I think Mazda has a fairly driver-hostile user experience with their controls. I have a 2020 CX-5, and it's still very opinionated about how I should be driving. For example, it w…

You just ignore those disclaimers and they go away. Blame the sue happy society we live in for that… it is pure CYA.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I explained in my another comment on this thread, sometimes they can behave unpredictably — eg. car brakes without a need — causing someone else to crash into you (these are most common crashes I see in the city streets). Perhaps they are not useful for me because I am a very attentive driver (eg. I prefer not to talk on the phone even with the BT hands-free system while driving because it takes my attention away…

> I am a very attentive driver Everyone thinks they're a great driver.

I did not say I am a great driver, but an attentive one. That means that when I drive, I focus on driving. I am sure there are people who can notice the same things I do while paying less attention on the road: that would make them "better" drivers.

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Problem is, up here in the north, cars start rusting away before they are otherwise unusable.

I would honestly pay 5k for a one-time rust prevention fix if it were a long term solution. I have a wonderful Toyota 4Runner in great condition - except for the terrible rust. It will definitely die a rusty death.

If you are into DIY (it's easier with a truck than a car, as you can get under without lifting it) look into the treatments people use for Land Rovers and other 4x4s that they regularly drive off road. It's not just a one-off thing though, you should reapply it every few years - this is why cars still rust that have the undercoating the dealer upsells you.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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post #81

Lada Niva 4x4. Old school soviet, but modernized car. With airconditioning and some modern gimmicks. Very easy to fix and maintain. Good fuel economy, some versions even pass Euro 5 emission limits. I liked WW2 jeeps and their simplicity, this seems like modern equivalent.

+1 for Lada Niva but not sure where OP is. Hard to get one outside Russia and Europe. Dashboard is still the same analog as in the 80s https://static.lada.ru/images/press-releases/vaz_catalogue_n... https://www.lada.ru/en/cars/niva-legend There seems to be a UK dealer https://lada4x4.co.uk/

For the US and Canada:

It would be impossible new without buying them for crash tests and I think maybe modifying the engine, and it gets very expensive (I'm not 100% sure but it's a tedious and very difficult and expensive process from what I remember). That's unless they're 25 years old in the US or 15 years old in Canada (eg. buy a really old model).

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