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Re: Ask HN: I feel so shallow and dumb when I see what other smart people are doing

#71
In the past if every city had one talented person, he would've been a celebrity. But no one felt bad since 99% of people around would've been average and there was one exceptional person. Now with the internet, we get to watch the talented person from every city and town in the world. Social media and google have become efficient in surfacing the most exciting/valuable content in front of us.

Given our window of attention is limited, what we see all day is excellence and we feel mediocre.

In short get out of your virtual world and go people watching in the real world to find that you are good enough.

Re: Ask HN: I feel so shallow and dumb when I see what other smart people are doing

#72
The only thing, and I mean that literally, is how you feel in your head. That's it. Your legacy doesn't matter. Your contributions don't matter. Not really... They only matter if you let their perceived omission make your life in your head feel worse. Find a way to be happy in your head, and you will live a better life than almost all of the people you think are better than you.

Re: Ask HN: I feel so shallow and dumb when I see what other smart people are doing

#73
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I'll be brutally honest because I used to be in your situation. Each and every person you admire has poured thousands of hours into some project. For some that's a degree. For some it's a game they wrote, for others it's company that they've started... Have you done that? Spent thousands of hours on a single thing? Focused on a project long enough to actually see results? I'm guessing not, because if you would have t…

What's interesting is that most of these people didn't start with OP's mindset. They didn't say "I want to pour thousands of hours into this one thing until I see results so I can compare myself against other people and feel satisfied." Starting from that mindset is already putting you behind. Doing something because you love doing it and not because you have any expectations will get you there faster, but only if yo…

I agree with that, but I had to learn this lesson the hard way: By trying to do things I hate.

If you have that belief, sometimes the way to get out of it is to play it out to conclusion.

Re: Ask HN: I feel so shallow and dumb when I see what other smart people are doing

#74
> There’s a lot of subjects and activities that I’m really interested of getting into but I can’t just dive into it.

I mean you could pick one of these and try to get in. If it's about SW dev, it would probably make things easier if it's backend related or at least including backend like fullstack. Actually backend stacks are also evolving quite slowly. What usually impresses people is something that you built with technology that you really like. E.g. once at an interview there was someone presenting I think a web based managing tool for music albums. Like end-to-end working, not many feature but just worked. This kind of software exists hundreds of times, it's not about the idea but the execution. Or like one time I applied for a job and showed them my self-hosting stack (Email, Web server, Wiki) written entirely in Ansible. You could pick a stack that is both in demand and that you like, pick a possible idea and realize it. I guess learning by doing is anyway easier. You could then host it on Azure or Heroku for free. (Or EC2 or EKS if you want to include DevOps) Also basic design can be realized with Bootstrap or whatever is the current go-to-framework for that. And then perhaps put it on Github in a single commit once you're done. Most devs don't involve in Opensource activity and get fine very well anyways. FWIW I appreciate working with fullstack+devops because of the changing tasks but don't expect any badges because of the broader knowledge which is then not necessarily very deep. Also it's just work after all :-) But I admit it's easier to find new jobs.

So yeah, learning by doing and there are blogs posts/Stackoverflow/YouTube videos/forums/Discord chats for everything if you're stuck.

Re: Ask HN: I feel so shallow and dumb when I see what other smart people are doing

#75
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You sound a lot like someone I know. And like someone I know, I gave them lots of advice like the kind you're getting here that never really took with them. Then I realized something. The way you experience the world is different from "most people", and thus the advice for "most people" will just make you feel more empty as you struggle and fail with it. Here's what I can tell you about yourself. You are probably muc…

I feel OP is painting very black & white, but a little exaggeration might help convey the importance. Also I'm currently more in a white phase, than a black one.

That being said, I was drawn to the thread for helpful replies and enjoyed feeling that I'm not alone in feeling like OP.

Your reply resonated most with me personally. I even told my wife about it specifically and would like to explore it more.

>Start digging _deep_ for your good qualities, remind yourself of them constantly. >Start doing the opposite, and work on radical acceptance.

I have a fundamental feeling, that I should do this even more. I have been seeing a therapist a couple of years back who helped me there. No that I'm OK, I struggle to go there more in order to go from OK to GREAT, it feels entitled.

>You are probably much smarter, much more talented, and have more good qualities than you realize.

One part of me, knows that on a "for a fact" level. But another part immediately spoils the party by calling that "arrogant", "full of myself". It's all relative as others have said pick the general population in my city, country, planet and I'm "successful". Pick the 0.00001% NBA-all stars and I'm not.

I was trying to research more about what "insecure overachievers" can do to help accept/unlock themselves.

>You can find joy and happiness in life, once you accept that what that looks like for you is different than how it looks for other people. Acceptance is key.

Again this is hard for me personally to internalize.

My first reaction is dismissing that statement as "entitled". "Oh do you think you're so special you need a special definition of joy and happiness and success?"

Probably, because (i) I have been taught and (ii) I'm telling myself and (iii) teaching my kids now that "entitlement" is not good.

Having re-read the statement over and over, it's less clear how it can spark these negative emotions against myself.

Of course we are all beautiful snowflakes, that's also something I learned, believe and teach my kids. Why is it so much easier for me to grant that privilege to every human being than to myself?

Thank you for reading.

Re: Ask HN: I feel so shallow and dumb when I see what other smart people are doing

#77
Layperson here in a similar boat.

So, on the face of it you have imposter syndrome. Many kind commenters have already offered up a bunch of platitudes to help in that department. It's a surprisingly common thing, actually.

What's less common is low self-esteem or self-hatred to a degree that it becomes a major impediment in your life. Your post is littered with language that suggests this. I know, because I've lived that reality my entire adult life. It ain't fun.

But you know what? While as real as that feeling is, to say it's not exactly rooted in truth would be an understatement. Your brain's biochemistry has an outsized effect on your perception of reality, which includes both how you view yourself and what thoughts tend to percolate within your mind.

There's something called the Default Mode Network[0] which is often mentioned in pop-sci neurology and psych articles. I'm not qualified to speak on it from any scientific or medical point of view. However, what I can tell you is that for me, understanding it on a relatively simplistic level has served as a fantastic metaphor that has allowed me to both forgive myself, and understand that my own negative self-image often times isn't necessarily rooted in truth.

When I've taken medication known to suppress, affect or otherwise normalize the DMN, the difference is so dramatic to the point of being: "Wow, I.. I don't hate myself right now." as if it's something novel I barely have a concept of. Not hating yourself is of course the first step to having any sort of foundation you can build on.

I'd say "don't compare yourself to others", or "love yourself", but platitudes like that are more detrimental than helpful when whoever you're saying it to someone who couldn't if they tried due to overwhelming biochemical forces at play. I don't know if that's true in your case, but it seems like it could be a possibility.

>I sometimes wonder if my mental condition or my medication has had an effect on this: I'm bipolar schizoaffective and borderline.

Yes, it probably has everything to do with it. With that diagnosis, you play life on hard mode and don't really have a choice in the matter. In my opinion, you should be congratulating yourself for doing as well as you are. This isn't to say you're somehow inferior to others; on the contrary, you seem very intelligent.

I would show your post to your psychiatrist and see what they think. It's likely that they have a very good idea how to help you, because they see that kind of thing a lot.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_mode_network

Re: Ask HN: I feel so shallow and dumb when I see what other smart people are doing

#78
I don’t know if you will get to see my comment by now but you are an incredibly good writer. Miles above the email churn I deal with daily.

I found myself reading and just flowing over your ideas. Your pace is good, your writing is simple yet thoughtful. Your sentence are not too short or too long and your paragraph boundaries make sense to me. Honestly, you are a good writer.

Re: Ask HN: I feel so shallow and dumb when I see what other smart people are doing

#79

I have these kinds of feelings a lot. It is hard to feel useful in this day and age of a ubiquitous globally connected society because for anything you attempt to do you have instant access to the top 0.0001% of the Bell curve who you have no hope of ever beating. I find comfort in that I am not alone, thinking of all the peasants and regular workers across history who didn't amount to much either, but still mostly f…

there's a great bit from Louis CK on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1-7AKx_4Ug

"You get to read to kill a mockingbird." when he says it is hilarious and I often remember that when moments seem shitty.

Re: Ask HN: I feel so shallow and dumb when I see what other smart people are doing

#80
Intelligence is what you make of it. It sounds like you're at a point where you're satisfied to stare out a window, and there's nothing wrong with that; unless you want otherwise for yourself, or if you feel that's not your authentic self. Its up to you how much you want to engage with the world - and the people you mention earlier sound like highly engaged individuals. Likewise, your medical situation could totally be impacting things as well! So worthwhile to look into that too.
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