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Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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Annoyingly, I want an electric car without "digitilization". No distracting central touch screen, no "autopilot" nonsense, proper gauges and indicators, tactile feel. A focus on the driving and safety and ergonomics, not on "we don't need an instrument cluster because iPads are cool, people like their phones and buttons are expensive and break"...

A Saab 900 with an electric motor. Please make it.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mean "you can physically destroy the radios if that bothers you"? Because it's not a toggle in a UI.

I’m trying to figure out what the connection is between the driver assist features and the phoning home behavior. Are they just two systems that new cars are likely to have, or are they actually integrated?

Some driver assist features probably need to have map data that has to stay up to date, but probably don't need to send any data back to the manufacturer in order to function.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#143

Annoyingly, I want an electric car without "digitilization". No distracting central touch screen, no "autopilot" nonsense, proper gauges and indicators, tactile feel. A focus on the driving and safety and ergonomics, not on "we don't need an instrument cluster because iPads are cool, people like their phones and buttons are expensive and break"... A Saab 900 with an electric motor. Please make it.

Saab 900 with a Mach E crate motor swap.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#144

Subaru Crosstrek: If you get it with the (quite nice) 6 speed manual, all the annoying driver aid stuff is deleted. Does come with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, so if you like fancy radio, you can have that. But the drivetrain is pleasantly stick-and-rudder.

Agreed and even if you get the one with Eyesight, Subaru's driver assist platform, it is easy to turn it off. My girlfriend has one and we turn off lane keep assistance on long trips because it is annoying on some roads.

This might be a good option if you want to improve potential resale value.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#145

Annoyingly, I want an electric car without "digitilization". No distracting central touch screen, no "autopilot" nonsense, proper gauges and indicators, tactile feel. A focus on the driving and safety and ergonomics, not on "we don't need an instrument cluster because iPads are cool, people like their phones and buttons are expensive and break"... A Saab 900 with an electric motor. Please make it.

I believe Citroen makes one, but I'm not sure it can be bought... Initially they said they'd sell it in supermarkets https://electrek.co/2021/05/04/citroen-ami-small-electric-ca...

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#147
First tell us your beef with the status-quo. How do you determine what is a digital feature and what is a digital gimmick? What are you trying to avoid exactly?

Are remote diagnostics a gimmick? Is the 20 year old CAN bus a gimmick? Automatic headlights? TPMS? ABS? All of this technology contains properties that identify your vehicle from similar vehicles WHILE making the roads safer.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#148

Annoyingly, I want an electric car without "digitilization". No distracting central touch screen, no "autopilot" nonsense, proper gauges and indicators, tactile feel. A focus on the driving and safety and ergonomics, not on "we don't need an instrument cluster because iPads are cool, people like their phones and buttons are expensive and break"... A Saab 900 with an electric motor. Please make it.

Saab 900 with a Mach E crate motor swap.

Wouldn't work well, that crate motor is made for transverse mounting, the 900 is famous for its longitudinal & backwards motor (and perfectly balanced to avoid torque steer).

A good candidate for a Tesla drive unit transplant, probably. Too bad I don't have the mechanical skills to do it myself (I have a non-running 1984 900 SPG in my garage)

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#149

Annoyingly, I want an electric car without "digitilization". No distracting central touch screen, no "autopilot" nonsense, proper gauges and indicators, tactile feel. A focus on the driving and safety and ergonomics, not on "we don't need an instrument cluster because iPads are cool, people like their phones and buttons are expensive and break"... A Saab 900 with an electric motor. Please make it.

The infotainment is usually a separate system, rip it out, and/or provide your own ECU. Not what you want, I know, but more immediately viable.

Re: Ask HN: Best cars without too much digitalization?

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a dying breed though, complicated "driver assist" systems are becoming standard or even mandated :(. It saves lives, even if the systems are not 100% effective.

What a pile. Blind spot detection system malfunction a lot to the point of being useless. Front collision detection is just annoying. I have driven for 40 years and have never rear-ended anyone or run over a pedestrian. These 'safety' 'features' are only useful to terrible drivers. Decent drivers are just annoyed by the car fighting you. I guess they need to have some way to keep adding features so the price points n…

What a pile. Your anecdata are not in and of themselves data.

Regardless of your skill, or the skill/expertise/attentiveness of any individual driver, drivers as a collective remain dangerous to themselves and pedestrians. How did I come to this conclusion? I reviewed data, here's a couple of sources:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2020-fatality-data-show...

https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx

By all means, if you have data that shows people are inherently becoming better drivers, or that there's a method to improve _all_ drivers systemically -- let's talk about it.

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