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The Greedy Doctor Problem

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Re: The Greedy Doctor Problem

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I would say doctors are the politicians of natural sciences, they only act after the fact.

What you need is someone that tells you what do (or most likely not to do) before you get sick.

Herein lies the very big problem, if you don't get sick doctors have no job!

Re: The Greedy Doctor Problem

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post #36

I think most countries with a civilized, social and sustainable healthcare system do this, right? Maybe this is the kind of market that can never be free, because you can never step away from a deal, as the alternative is often death. As such perhaps in these matters we should just have some faith in humanity. You know, it works for a lot of open source software. Capitalism is not a silver bullet, people have a consc…

Many countries with universal healthcare still pay by the act. In Canada, doctors are mostly independent service providers that bill the government directly. This can lead to two problems: a) they don’t do a whole lot of medical acts because it already pays so well that they can afford to slack off (e.g., work 3-4 days a week, see very little patients), or b) do a lot of unnecessary acts because it goes directly into…

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Re: The Greedy Doctor Problem

#83
The answer is not to play games with the payment as if it's the only thing you can engage with - it's to check the contents of their work.

P != NP, as far as we've discovered. As a non-doctor, I can still understand medical conditions. What I don't have are the heuristics to diagnose a medical condition. The way I see it, I'm hiring a doctor (or any other skilled knowledge professional) for their ability to generate a proof certificate (in the algorithms sense) that convinces me of their declared diagnosis. Any consultant who asserts "The answer is X" without being able to explain that answer to an intelligent non-domain-expert has not done their job.

Re: The Greedy Doctor Problem

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many countries with universal healthcare still pay by the act. In Canada, doctors are mostly independent service providers that bill the government directly. This can lead to two problems: a) they don’t do a whole lot of medical acts because it already pays so well that they can afford to slack off (e.g., work 3-4 days a week, see very little patients), or b) do a lot of unnecessary acts because it goes directly into…

It's clear why performing unnecessary medical acts is problematic, but what is the issue if doctors being paid by the act work 3-4 days a week? Isn't this just piece work and you can add more doctors?

Yeah, that sounds ideal to me. I hate seeing stressed out, rushed medical professionals. In part, that's selfish -- they aren't doing their best work. But also, they set a terrible example to their patients by ignoring the impact of overwork on their own physical and mental health.

Less overwork results in better care, and more jobs. I'm all for it.

Re: The Greedy Doctor Problem

#85
The article proposes prepayment options. Why not go to the "other, other obvious" solution, which is results-based payments? In healthcare, that's value-based care. In other industries w/ agent-principle problems, it's called "taking on risk". You're incentivizing results and outcomes, rather than whatever specific actions lead up to those results. It means that the focus is no longer on the activity provided by the agent, but on the desired outcomes from the principle. Pure alignment and it helps filter out those who are good at getting results from those who are good at doing the actions.

Re: The Greedy Doctor Problem

#86
Competition cures greed. Instead of going to one doctor, go to three. Go with the doctor that has the best value (price/service). If the doctor gets greedy, shop around. Tell the doctor you found a lower price, and if he is not competitive, you will fire him, and find a new doctor.

Re: The Greedy Doctor Problem

#87

The article proposes prepayment options. Why not go to the "other, other obvious" solution, which is results-based payments? In healthcare, that's value-based care. In other industries w/ agent-principle problems, it's called "taking on risk". You're incentivizing results and outcomes, rather than whatever specific actions lead up to those results. It means that the focus is no longer on the activity provided by the…

Really good take, actually. In the extreme case you find that doctors actually have no responsibility to their patients. You can read board investigations. They are unusually soft on very horrible doctors.

Re: The Greedy Doctor Problem

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many countries with universal healthcare still pay by the act. In Canada, doctors are mostly independent service providers that bill the government directly. This can lead to two problems: a) they don’t do a whole lot of medical acts because it already pays so well that they can afford to slack off (e.g., work 3-4 days a week, see very little patients), or b) do a lot of unnecessary acts because it goes directly into…

It's clear why performing unnecessary medical acts is problematic, but what is the issue if doctors being paid by the act work 3-4 days a week? Isn't this just piece work and you can add more doctors?

Because the supply of medical doctors in most countries including Canada is heavily constrained. People are wary of opening the flood gates because it is expected that the quality of care would drop (not necessarily a good argument). Meanwhile, there is a huge access issue with long wait times at the ER or for seeing specialists. A large proportion of the population has no family doctor.

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That’s horribly ignorant considering that many diseases have a large genetic component and people are rarely 100% compliant with the things they need to do to prevent a disease. Even when a doctor lets them know how to prevent the disease. How would this work for a disease, for example, like Alzheimer’s where the onset is much earlier in life (40s) but doesn’t manifest until much later in life and has no diagnostic t…

Seconding your view points. If a patient dies from a hypertension related cause (say stroke), and the patient has not followed the strict low salt diet the doctor recommended, does the doctor pay for that? At what point does the doctor stop seeing patients who do not follow their recommendations to the exact letter?

I know you're framing it as patient choice, but it would incentivize doctors to actually want to research new solutions instead of give stale advice that doesn't seem to work.

Re: The Greedy Doctor Problem

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The article proposes prepayment options. Why not go to the "other, other obvious" solution, which is results-based payments? In healthcare, that's value-based care. In other industries w/ agent-principle problems, it's called "taking on risk". You're incentivizing results and outcomes, rather than whatever specific actions lead up to those results. It means that the focus is no longer on the activity provided by the…

I think that the author is assuming that you, the patient, have no way to assess whether the diagnosis was correct. I think that eliminates what I also thought of as a strategy, which is how this works in real life - some combination of being able to tell, as the patient, when treatment is working, combined with (the threat of) second opinions, and of course all the “human” stuff that the author sets aside about doctors wanting to help people etc.
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