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Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

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That's a charming idea. I could see how email bridging might be a way to achieve network effect, but then email bridging might just turn it into another email client. I'm surprised you took the approach that pickup = delivery. I would assume you'd have a lag between them, with only cancellation allowed in that gap. Basically "you have N minutes to reconsider this thing you wrote, if you've changed your mind and want…

Thank you! > but then email bridging might just turn it into another email client. Exactly. My first attempt at Pony was an email service. People tried it, but there was a lot of confusion about the asymmetry of some people being on an instant platform and some people being on Pony. Email comes with its own norms and expectations, and many people viewed Pony as "rebellious" or "anti-social," which was the last thing…

I am sure you have thought about this, but following is what I imagine it can be:

I can give username@ponymessenger.com email to new people I start communication with, like maybe part of a professional profile. An email to this address will receive an auto-reply. It will explain that message will be delivered later, and not instantly. Since this is a different email domain and opens a new line of communication, it will not carry an expectation of instant emails. It will be even better if this auto-reply contains a link to a webpage. On that page, they can modify their message or rephrase until the delivery time (with a countdown ideally). Maybe the domain name could be something that implies the delayed delivery part to make it even clearer.

From the recipient/reader side, this has to be a sacred space, away from the continuous traffic of other emails. It is not possible to turn all of our emails into delayed correspondence. Hence, this can not work as just an email client. It should help grow the network without becoming an email client.

Pony is just the messenger service needed in the ever-connected world. I had dreamed of using this kind of messenger. Thanks for building it. I hope this grows into something big.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#73

Could you just turn off the notifications on your messenging apps? That is what I do for all messenging apps except for SMS. I would check them in my downtime in the evening.

I tried that with FB Messenger, but forgot to check for months, missing important messages.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#74
post #7

I love this thought process. I've gotten into the habit of only checking my email at work when I sign in and when I leave for the day. I know you don't integrate with email because of some time critical messages, but I wonder if you could still integrate as an email/sms app and allow temporary overrides (kinda like how pihole let's you pause it for 5 minutes). That'd be downright awesome

I'm retired now but for quite a few years I made it a habit to not open my email until lunch time. That way I could work all morning, my most energetic time of day, on things that had been discussed the day before without being distracted or having a bad conscience about not immediately acting on new requests.

Anyone who needed my attention immediately could use the telephone and hardly anyone ever did.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#75

Neat idea. Lovely interface. However, no mention of monetization strategy. Are you selling my personal data? Do you show me ads? Do you intend to sell subscriptions? Also, no E2E _and_ it's not open source/self-hostable. I need at least one of those. Either I don't need to trust you because things are E2E encrypted, or you establish trust by letting me see and verify code.

Thank you! I really appreciate it. > However, no mention of monetization strategy. Thanks for bringing this up. I was hoping to give a brief introduction and then to field questions. I will definitely not be selling personal data, or data otherwise. I do have some monetization ideas, and I'm really excited to try them out. They're all going to fit nicely with the core concept of the platform: periodicity. One of them…

Monetization ideas: Fancy "envelopes", "wax stamps/monograms/watermarks".

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember this a few years ago...I should get back into it.

No, you won't go back into it! If you remember it, and used it a few years ago, but then forgot about it until some random HN post mentioned it, it's not something with persistent utility (addiction) to you. EDIT: I see I got understood in a way I didn't intend to. Didn't want to say anything about parent, just pointing out that mentioned platform itself lack addictiveness to be considered a good (successful) social…

> persistent utility (addiction)

That's... not a good definition of persistent utility.

My pantry has quite a lot of persistent utility, but I'm reasonably sure I'm not addicted to it.

Edit:

>Didn't want to say anything about parent,

I apologize for my misreading.

>just pointing out that mentioned platform itself lack addictiveness to be considered a good (successful) social network.

I think that depends on the definition of successful. I quite like the idea of calm technology. I think it's possible to have a non-addictive social network which lets you socialize without feeling compelled to use it.

It wouldn't be for everyone, but wouldn't be for no one.

>Or is this one of the "feel good, we all should be using it" kind of stuff, where people force themselves to use it, because it's "right thing to do", but it feels more like a chore than joy, something like gym.

I don't think so. And it's possible to have something that is both - exercise, writing, sometimes reading fall into that category for me. Many things worth doing are not easy but far more rewarding and worthwhile in the long run.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#77

Thanks for working on this. It reminds me of a social app called Slowly ( https://slowly.app/en/ ) where you write "letters" to people and they are delivered based on the approximate physical distance between them. It's common for letters across countries to take >12 or sometimes even >24 hours. It's led people to a lot of meaningful relationships/friendships, they publish some as stories: https://slowly.app/en/story…

While an interesting concept, I think it would be much more meaningful to actually write the letter. Make something physical of yourself and send to someone you care about. It's really fun. I love snail mail

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#78
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human mind's ability to see into the future based on sparse data is a fascinating phenomenon, and fairly ubiquitous.

The human mind's ability to incorrectly apply that foresight to others is equally ubiquitous, however.

And the human mind's ability to then use said "insight" to demean others, is also unfortunately ubiquitous.

Re: Show HN: Pony – a messenger for mindful correspondence

#79
this is great, solid implementation and very similar to an idea I had floating around in my head. glad to see it live. while I don't have anyone to message yet, I plan to put this on my social media profiles as a contact point.

any concerns about spam? I figure it won't be as bad as most services but I still for see people sending spam if it gets even moderately popular.

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