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Crypto Wash Trading

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#31

This is great knowledge. People should not be investing based on what's popular or what is being traded. Better hold than gamble. Monetary speculation should be dumb in a sound money system

True and true, but the current system is just a madhouse... The funny part is when people are confusing stock price with approval of the company/concept and its business soundness (also looking forward), e.g. with Tesla or cryptocurrencies.

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#32
Extremely sceptical that the volume is fake in the largest exchanges. You can see it's real for yourself by putting an order in the book and simulating when it should be filled and compare that to the actual fill. You'll see that they line up closely for the large exchanges which is strong evidence that the volume is real.

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#33

Can somebody explain to a crypto-naif what "wash trading" means here?

A "wash trade" is a trade which generates no value because it represents a swap in kind. For example, if I sell a broad market ETF like VTI and buy a nearly identical asset at the same price from a different firm, that could be a "wash trade" for tax purposes (simplifying this, but this is basically the gist). In the context of crypto transactions, it's typically referring to trades which are just shifting the same a…

I was confused what "dss-flash" was so I looked it up.

It's a DAO that enables you to mint infinite DAI (some crappy "stablecoin") for a transaction as long as you pay it back in the same transaction.

One of the stated goals of this "feature" is

> Exploits requiring a large amount of capital will be found quicker which makes the DeFi space safer overall.

Ah yes, intentionally making your own product less secure and more open to abuse, so you can make it more secure. Good work. This is taking testing in production to a whole new level.

Re: Crypto Wash Trading

#34
post #17

So this implies that the crypto markets are actually far less liquid than the trade volume implies. Suddenly those massive 10% +/- fluctuations in a day make a lot more sense.

Literally anyone who had any idea what crypto markets are like knew that these markets were extremely illiquid.

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#35
post #24

This is why Uniswap's data is much more valuable than centralized exchanges. On-chain trading permits a degree of transparency and trustworthiness not readily feasible with centralized exchanges. Centralized exchanges are incentivized to doctor their data and lie about their volumes. The larger the volumes an exchange publishes, even if fake or gamed, the more relevant an exchange appears. Users must blindly trust wh…

I'm generally pro-cryptocurrencies, but Uniswap definitly makes it harder to see wash trading, not easier. One wallet !== one person, while the regulated, centralized exchanges normally require you to answer bunch of questions and prove your identity because of KYC/AML laws, to guarantee that each participant is just that, one participant.

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#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you trade a any security to yourself (or someone closely related to you) to give the illusion of the price going up. (EDIT: Well... it could be for any reason. But illusion of price going up is one such application of the strategy). Lets say you invent a new NFT. You sell the NFT to __yourself__ for $100. Then, you sell the NFT to yourself (again) for $200. Finally, you sell the NFT to yourself for $1000. Then y…

Yes this works with NFTs but does not work with fungible money because there are typically thousands of people willing to sell once the price goes from 100 to 200.

That’s why the nonfungibility of fine art is essential to its role in tax evasion.

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#37

I recently had to go through extensive KYC/AML email conversations and phone calls with bunch of exchanges like Coinbase and others. Got me interested how wash trading could happen, when they were so strict with me, and which exchanges were investigated. These seems to be the exchanges they investigated. Would be interesting to see a breakdown of percentage per exchange, as I still don't understand how wash trading c…

> We quantify the wash trading on each unregulated exchange, which averaged over 70% of the reported volume.

Coinbase isn’t one of the unregulated exchanges.

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post #5

Title should be "70% of unregulated crypto exchanges..."

No, regulated at as well it seems, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29279380 Edit: sorry, misunderstood parent comment.

It’s in the summary:

> We quantify the wash trading on each unregulated exchange, which averaged over 70% of the reported volume.

Re: Crypto Wash Trading

#40
I'm not surprised at all

Many actors (including core devs) in the Ethereum (and other crypto) ecosphere see front running (known as MEV) and the payment for protection thereof (known as flashbots) as a "feature" so it's no wonder that other "creative trading techniques" run rampant.

It seems like the reason for every financial regulation in traditional banking is rediscovered in the crypto space just much faster.

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