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Where is Ruby Headed in 2021?

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Re: Where is Ruby Headed in 2021?

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Post by stepbeek »

davidlee1435 wrote: post #120
kayodelycaon wrote: post #4

This is really cool. I’ve used a number of languages and dabbled in a few frameworks but nothing I’ve used brings me joy like ruby does. I approach programming creatively. I think in large systems and architecture. Ruby allows me to skip worrying about the details. Code blocks abstract away thinking about loops and just focus on data. Just about every array operation I could want is there, waiting for a code block. I…

I quite like Kotlin when it comes to a language's "flow." Pity there's not a better web server framework for it

We've been building on top of Spring Boot with nodejs as a part of the build process for front-end assets.

It's not as nice as rails, but we love kotlin so it's hard to give up.

Re: Where is Ruby Headed in 2021?

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Post by oblio »

joelbluminator wrote: post #163
cpursley wrote: post #161

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You may have heard of some of these companies: - https://appunite.com/blog/top-10-elixir-companies-to-follow - https://elixir-companies.com/en

Pepsico, Toyota ...come on now that's weak. They're not even IT companies let alone Tech. Whatsapp is running on a fork of Erlang afaik , not Elixir. Look I'm not saying no one is using Elixir, I'm just saying there's little jobs that's all. Cherry picking some famous names isn't gonna change that.

Plus these companies tend to have tens of techs stacks and hundreds of projects, you never know if what they're highlighting isn't some small internal project used by just one team and developed by more or less a lone wolf developer, with the project on life support after said developer left the company.

Re: Where is Ruby Headed in 2021?

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Post by thunderbong »

chishaku wrote: post #160

Other than Rails, what do people use Ruby for?

I've never used Rails. I used Sinatra in the early days and over the last 8 years I've used Roda[0] and Sequel[1].

Our stack is front-end heavy with a very mature JS framework and the back-end is mostly an API server. Databases range from SQLite to Postgres.

Development is usually done on SQLite and staging / production on Postgres. Quite a few projects with SQLite DB in production as well.

[0]: https://roda.jeremyevans.net

[1]: https://sequel.jeremyevans.net

Re: Where is Ruby Headed in 2021?

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Post by islon »

DeathArrow wrote: post #175
tambourine_man wrote: post #43

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> But that's a pretty out-of-date take Gradual/optional static typing are not new ideias. It’s just that they are fashionable now. It used to be that not having to deal with types at all was the cool place to be in. Our computers were getting so much faster every year, why would performance be a concern? Programmers are more productive in dynamic languages and computer time is cheap, etc, etc. The “correctness” pitch…

You might not care about types but the computer you are running your code on, cares very much.

Are they releasing processors with typed registers now?

AFAIK registers and assembly is untyped.

Re: Where is Ruby Headed in 2021?

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Post by kayodelycaon »

pull_my_finger wrote: post #58
kayodelycaon wrote: post #4

This is really cool. I’ve used a number of languages and dabbled in a few frameworks but nothing I’ve used brings me joy like ruby does. I approach programming creatively. I think in large systems and architecture. Ruby allows me to skip worrying about the details. Code blocks abstract away thinking about loops and just focus on data. Just about every array operation I could want is there, waiting for a code block. I…

>Node.js comes so close but anemic standard library The nodejs API is rather big really. If you're using Ruby as your standard of normal sized almost everything would look small in comparison, but "anemic" is a stretch. You'd really hate Lua. If you're taking suggestions, you might enjoy Janet[1]. It has a pretty large user API, lots of bells and whistles included in the standard libs like you'd find in Ruby, and lot…

Funny you should mention Lua. It’s a fun little language I very much enjoy. Lua isn’t typically used for business applications with heavy logic and a lot of data manipulation.

Re: Where is Ruby Headed in 2021?

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Post by sodapopcan »

rhizome31 wrote: post #154
sanderjd wrote: post #110

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The often impossibility of finding the definition of the methods I'm calling is the main thing that soured me on Rails. I think a more explicit style is more common nowadays, which is a good thing.

I've worked with Ruby in the past and I currently work with Python and Elixir. This is a caveat that Elixir inherited from Ruby. In Elixir there's the `only` option of `import`, but it doesn't seem idiomatic to use it. In Python there's `import *` but it's an actively discouraged practice whereas in Ruby and Elixir it's the norm. I like all three but on this particular point I think Python got it right.

I _much_ prefer Elixir’s way of not using imports much and prefixing most function calls with the module name. That way when I jump to a function definition, I often don’t need to do any further jumping around—I know exactly where everything is coming from right there. I especially hate when language idioms encourage using a shorthand name for the module when importing. Just be explicit!

Re: Where is Ruby Headed in 2021?

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Post by wavesplash »

oblio wrote: post #198
chrischattin wrote: post #169

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This is just not true. There are several multi-Billion dollar public companies with millions of users and thousands of employees built on Rails. In fact, the philosophy of convention over configuration et all makes Rails MORE scalable and easier to onboard new people than anything else out there that I’ve seen.

Well, you'd better not check what happened to all those Rails apps when those companies grew. There are soooo many blogs about migrating away from Ruby, adopting Go, Scala, whatever statically typed thing. There's a reason even Ruby is getting a proper static type system.

Um, really? Why are unicorns like Shopify or Github are still using Rails if that's the norm?

Re: Where is Ruby Headed in 2021?

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Post by kayodelycaon »

karmasimida wrote: post #134
kayodelycaon wrote: post #4

This is really cool. I’ve used a number of languages and dabbled in a few frameworks but nothing I’ve used brings me joy like ruby does. I approach programming creatively. I think in large systems and architecture. Ruby allows me to skip worrying about the details. Code blocks abstract away thinking about loops and just focus on data. Just about every array operation I could want is there, waiting for a code block. I…

Bet one entire language's future on a single framework isn't working very well I guess. It is 2021, web frameworks are ... one of the solved problems. Polyglot is the future, and people are already adapting

I am a polyglot outside of work, across many fields beyond just tech. Wordpress themes, managed networking, and home automation have been my latest tech projects. (Let’s make light switches less reliable!)

Since I’ve run Linux servers at every job I’ve had, I’m trying to get my toe into devops at my current employer. Getting all of our application into Docker has been fun. (Why does everyone run shit as root in a container!? Dropping permissions isn’t difficult!!!)

Re: Where is Ruby Headed in 2021?

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Post by kayodelycaon »

jb3689 wrote: post #129
kayodelycaon wrote: post #4

This is really cool. I’ve used a number of languages and dabbled in a few frameworks but nothing I’ve used brings me joy like ruby does. I approach programming creatively. I think in large systems and architecture. Ruby allows me to skip worrying about the details. Code blocks abstract away thinking about loops and just focus on data. Just about every array operation I could want is there, waiting for a code block. I…

> Then there is Rails. Nothing even comes close Have you tried Phoenix? It's really close. It's better in some ways. The data layer is quite different however. As much as I like Ruby, Elixir made a lot of things I liked about Ruby better

Yup. The lack of libraries made it a non-starter. Rails has just about everyone beat in that category.

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Post by chespinoza »

inopinatus wrote: post #119
saagarjha wrote: post #118

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I don’t see how this helps?

Ruby's dispatch is Smalltalk-like, not Java-like; it is (very) late-bound. The consequences for interface design are dramatic, the natural style being one in which objects notify each other, rather than telling each other what to do, and the result is loose coupling and ease of composition. People trying to write Java-like OO in Ruby end up confused and frustrated.

There's plenty of people writing java-like code in Python too, just check Amazon SDK for python or GCP SDK, it's a mess, I don't know if they get frustrated but they do get SDK users confused and frustrated.
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