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Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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Re: Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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Smallpox is roughly as contagious as SARS-Cov2 Delta and therefore more transmossible than the original variant. However those numbers are the unmitigated numbers. Public health and other authority figures have some advantages in fighting smallpox versus SARS-Cov2. IIRC, smallpox is not infectious until the "pox" are visible on the body, greatly improving ability to screen for the disease and the vaccine traditional…

With smallpox so deadly, how did europeans intentionally put it on blankets given to native americans with genocidal intent? were europeans conferred some residual resistance by variants being endemic across europe, but not the americas?

> With smallpox so deadly, how did europeans intentionally put it on blankets given to native americans with genocidal intent?

That's a myth, stemming from Howard Zinn. Zinn basically scoured various underground and left-wing pamphlets, some even anti-american cold war propaganda, and collected that all into an underground history, called "A People's History of the United States". It's wildly popular among a certain subset of the population, who take what's written there as gospel.

Zinn never provided a source for the small-pox blanket trope. Not because he invented it (I don't think he did) but because citing propaganda is not a good look for a historian.

When you try to do some archeological digging of these urban legends, the closest thing you can find in terms of real history is a letter from colonial times when there was a mention of this as a possible war strategy by a British administrator, Sir Jeffery Amherst, but there is no evidence anything like this actually happened during the British rule or after independence.

By the time it reached Zinn, it was turned in US cavalry officers actually giving blankets to Indians in the 19th Century. From then it spun out into popular culture. I think it's even included in the Simpsons.

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Honestly I am more concerned with the transport. If I had found the samples I would consider burning down the lab. Sorry, but the end of Smallpox is one of the greatest medical success stories ever. I am not going to be the one who reopens that particular Pandoras box.

Don't we have vaccines? I mean sure an outbreak would be pretty horrific. But once the pictures start circulating, I suspect vaccine hesitation would evaporate pretty quickly. Yes, yes, we should go far to avoid an outbreak, but would it really be so world ending? Wouldn't we just contain it, vaccinate widely and be done with it?

All it takes is one to get away on a subway near an airport. Some of the original vaccine hesitancy was about the smallpox vaccine when it was endemic, so not everyone would take it.

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Given the risk of myocarditis and other things against the low risk of my demographic with COVID, I'd rather not take the drug with no long term studies.

Regarding myocarditis from the Moderna vaccine: "For instance, Israel reported So that's a 0.003% and 0.0008% rate, respectively. And you have a 0.15% chance of getting myocarditis from COVID-19 itself. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211116/Myocarditis-among... https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

If it's safe, why were the industrial drug dealers given legal immunity before it even started?

If it's effective, why do we need boosters?

It's a convenient money grab for industrial drug dealers, and their pet politicians get a power grab.

The smallpox vaccine didn't need a booster after six months. Because it's a vaccine.

The COVID preparations do, because they're not vaccines. They're treatments. That are risky, and weakly effective.

They're only called "vaccines" because the Ministry of Truth has been very busy this year rewriting the definition of "vaccine".

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They were transported to the existing, single approved location for processing these samples before being cultured. So the risk may not have been any more than existing research at that facility.

I was always under the impressions, that they keep the samples frozen in some big "freezer", and that they don't poke them around and "play" with them... so opening an unknown vial of an unknown sample of possibly smallpox, having the sample analyzed, and all the procedures needed for that, seem (to me) more risky than just keeping the freezer running.

People make mistakes under pressure. So it's a good idea to induce limited pressure from time to time. Having to go through the proper preparations to analyze these samples was probably a valuable and rare training opportunity.

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Given the risk of myocarditis and other things against the low risk of my demographic with COVID, I'd rather not take the drug with no long term studies.

As another poster as shown, the risk of myocarditis is incredibly low. Certainly much lower than the risks of contracting COVID without the vaccine. And where are the long term studies of the effects of COVID? I'll take my chances with the vaccine.

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It’s not an estimate in NYC - that was measured.

If you measure a (possibly representative) subset of a population (not all of NYC was measured) it's not uncommon to describe that as estimation, not measuring.

I believe the term you are looking for is ‘sampled’ or ‘studied’?

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With smallpox so deadly, how did europeans intentionally put it on blankets given to native americans with genocidal intent? were europeans conferred some residual resistance by variants being endemic across europe, but not the americas?

> With smallpox so deadly, how did europeans intentionally put it on blankets given to native americans with genocidal intent? That's a myth, stemming from Howard Zinn. Zinn basically scoured various underground and left-wing pamphlets, some even anti-american cold war propaganda, and collected that all into an underground history, called "A People's History of the United States". It's wildly popular among a certain…

I had to read Zinn for AP US History in 10th grade, and I fucking hated that shit. The guy would somehow always find a way to spin everything this country did in a negative way. Glad to hear that at least part of it was bullshit.

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> With smallpox so deadly, how did europeans intentionally put it on blankets given to native americans with genocidal intent? That's a myth, stemming from Howard Zinn. Zinn basically scoured various underground and left-wing pamphlets, some even anti-american cold war propaganda, and collected that all into an underground history, called "A People's History of the United States". It's wildly popular among a certain…

I had to read Zinn for AP US History in 10th grade, and I fucking hated that shit. The guy would somehow always find a way to spin everything this country did in a negative way. Glad to hear that at least part of it was bullshit.

I'm sorry you had to read that in high school. This kind of stuff is why you see parent revolts.

The problems with polemicists like Zinn or Chomsky is that they go looking for any evidence to support their thesis (namely that America is an evil empire committing atrocities around the globe), which makes for very bad history. I mean, I could mine Swiss newspapers, interviews, selectively quote from some policy papers, and make it look like Switzerland is some violent third world hell-hole if I had enough time and a strong enough obsession to prove my point.

But that's not history, because it doesn't tell you the big picture or the main facts, instead it focuses on things that either didn't happen at all, or were exceptional. People who read that stuff come away with a truly warped view of the world, and then this penetrates into popular sites even like wikipedia. For example, the "US Overthrow" of Iranian Mossadeq or the 1973 Pinochet coup are completely misrepresented, whereas things like US involvement in supporting Algerian rebels and African left-wing rebels is erased. So you don't get an understanding of US policy or the factors driving it, which are not easily reducible to soundbytes or simple analyses. Similarly the anti-communist military action by the Dutch in Indonesia after WW2, the Korean War (Chomsky claims it was the US that was the aggressor), and even key facts about the Vietnam war and the Khmer Rouge are massively distorted.

This results in students having holes where huge parts of history are entirely missing, and have been replaced with hate, and a lot of people emerge from that scene very angry and militant, both at the U.S. and more recently at Europeans in general, which I guess is the whole point of teaching this stuff - to create angry, radicalized, students. I hope you escaped that trap.

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Like the fighter jet pilot who reported all those UFOs … he literally called himself the class clown type in an interview, yet still people believe his story.

I'm confused what you're referring to, since they released videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO_M0hLlJ-Q . Are you claiming the pilot faked the video?

I've seen the videos. You sound like them "releasing videos" closes the case for you (otherwise why would you say you are confused about what I am referring to). I would say, not so fast. The video you linked shows a display, not a direct camera view. The display is for a system (FLIR, I think it is, iirc) the development and programming of which his good buddy, best man at his wedding, was involved with in an ongoing manner at the time. I don't have all the answers, but it's quite possible that these two were having a little fun.

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This is certifably false when it comes to covid and the flu: according to Johns Hopkins University, about 3.1 million people around the world had died of COVID-19 as of April 26, 2021. The flu, meanwhile, kills between 290,000 to 650,000 people every year worldwide, according to the World Health Organization.

Depends on the definition of deaths. Most people don't get tested for flu. Also, in many cases, died of covid means "had a positive test result within two weeks of death". That's ignoring the dubious reliability of PCR tests in general.

Hi, I am curious, can you elaborate on the "dubious reliability of PCR tests"?

Also, what do you mean by "in many cases" here. Like let's say if you are admitted to a hospital after a gun shot wound and happened to have Covid and die the next day due to the injury -- is it a Covid death?

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