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I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Post by newbie789 »

ineptech wrote: post #159
newbie789 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s fascinating because I didn’t ask why I’m getting downvoted, thanks for the uh, friendly unrequested… help with… internet points? It’s fascinating that you cannot actually respond to my original post at all, yet are compelled to post nonetheless. I admire your sense of civic duty, because it’s definitely not some silly nonsense meant to avoid discussing the subject matter that I’ve brought up in order to carry…

I'm not going to engage with you on this topic. Try reddit.

Your answer was no, you cannot answer the question. Good luck in your future endeavors!

Edit: it’s genuinely hilarious in a non-ironic actual belly laugh way that folks can show up and pretend to be Above It All when it comes to little details about their brazen statements in support of their uh, beliefs? Required line of discourse from an employer or hopeful friend?

You showed up, gave me unsolicited “advice” to make sure I don’t get downvoted, and you got mad when I pointed out that I never asked for that advice.

And you still literally cannot answer a yes or no question. I wish you well in the future, particularly about your behavior and allegiances :)

My question was literally posing a yes or no question, then asking whether or not you were capable of answering that yes or no question. It’s a trip that you’re someho we incapable of answering whether or not you’re allowed to answer the yes or no question (I didn’t require that you answer the other question. I just asked if you were allowed to answer it in the first place. )

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Post by newbie789 »

ineptech wrote: post #100
tptacek wrote: post #11

It is not, in fact, "unambiguously a lie" to relate to others deBoer's grave (and admitted, and unambiguously real) misconduct without the full context of his mental illness. People are entitled to form their own opinions about deBoer's credibility, and he is not entitled to set conditions on how they do that.

> People are entitled All of them? Every single one? Wow, harsh. I kid, of course; my point in taking your words of context is to say that context always matters. People may be "entitled" to form a negative opinion of you based on my misleading out-of-context quotation of your words, but it seems pretty unambiguous that they'd be wrong to do so. That said, it would be nice if Freddie had been responding to a specific…

Hey what do you think about race science

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Post by blindmute »

chrsig wrote: post #74
beebmam wrote: post #27

Certainly I'd like to think there's a special place in hell for those who accuse innocent people of sexual abuse; there's not much worse that one can be accused of. Mental illness or not, there's no excuse for these kinds of false accusations. It's certainly understandable given Freddie's condition. But us understanding why it happened doesn't ethically justify their actions, and it also doesn't relieve the perpetrat…

I sincerely hope that you never find yourself having harmed someone as a result of a mental illness. > What I'd like is to simply not hear from this person in public again You're perfectly free to wear headphones in public, and stop reading anything authored by them. >Get a job, like most of the rest of us Nice ableism. Do you understand that severe mental illness can be a disability? Would you tell a person without…

Why does the mental illness part of this matter at all? He is at any time liable to go out of his mind and ruin people's lives, given a platform to do so. It doesn't make any difference about why that happens; he shouldn't have a platform. I don't care what's wrong with his brain, I care what's wrong with his actions and mitigating the effects of them.

A blind person should not be driving, regardless of how "ableist" this opinion makes me. Likewise, a mentally ill man with a history of life altering slander should not be writing for a public platform.

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Post by watwut »

pdonis wrote: post #95
watwut wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original victim seems to be pissed on author for making himself victim now and for not going away from his life as he promised. Some of the angry people have been there whole time and are actually the ones having to deal with it.

> The original victim seems to be pissed He does? I'm not seeing that in any of the posts by Malcolm Harris that have been referenced in this thread.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1372530096...

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Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Post by watwut »

zepto wrote: post #108
watwut wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original victim seems to be pissed on author for making himself victim now and for not going away from his life as he promised. Some of the angry people have been there whole time and are actually the ones having to deal with it.

Is DeBoer ‘making himself the victim’? It looks to me as though he is a victim of a bunch of social vigilantes who have nothing to do with the original situation. The ‘original victim’ would be better off if these vigilantes weren’t involving themselves in the situation.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1372530096...

This is what "original victim" retweeted again, like yesterday.

> who have nothing to do with the original situation.

Speaking about lies, you made that up. It is assumption based on what you want to be true.

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Post by shkkmo »

newbie789 wrote: post #161
ineptech wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not going to engage with you on this topic. Try reddit.

Your answer was no, you cannot answer the question. Good luck in your future endeavors! Edit: it’s genuinely hilarious in a non-ironic actual belly laugh way that folks can show up and pretend to be Above It All when it comes to little details about their brazen statements in support of their uh, beliefs? Required line of discourse from an employer or hopeful friend? You showed up, gave me unsolicited “advice” to mak…

You do not seem to be attempting to engage in productive discussion but rather seem like you are trying to start a fight.

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Post by chrsig »

blindmute wrote: post #163
chrsig wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sincerely hope that you never find yourself having harmed someone as a result of a mental illness. > What I'd like is to simply not hear from this person in public again You're perfectly free to wear headphones in public, and stop reading anything authored by them. >Get a job, like most of the rest of us Nice ableism. Do you understand that severe mental illness can be a disability? Would you tell a person without…

Why does the mental illness part of this matter at all? He is at any time liable to go out of his mind and ruin people's lives, given a platform to do so. It doesn't make any difference about why that happens; he shouldn't have a platform. I don't care what's wrong with his brain, I care what's wrong with his actions and mitigating the effects of them. A blind person should not be driving, regardless of how "ableist"…

> Why does the mental illness part of this matter at all?

Because as it turns out mental illness is part of a protected class, and that's a big deal in employment law.

The solution here isn't limiting his freedom of speech, it's accommodating with a fact checker of some sort.

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Post by shkkmo »

newbie789 wrote: post #149
lazyasciiart wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could not disagree with his opinions more. I think it's perfectly reasonable for him not to want people to pass around stories of what he did when psychotic, I also think that plenty of people may not take issue with him because of this bipolar episode, but that they are willing to use it in an effort to discredit him. I also think that you are unreasonably dismissing the possibility that people take issues with hi…

Wait. What? He publicly holds very polarizing (and ridiculous) views on issues that directly affect people’s day to day lives, but I’m not thinking straight because I don’t immediately buy the idea that he’s _just_ being bullied for other reasons ? Maybe folks that he victimized during his psychotic break could also hate him for his opinions, but that’s not really a possibility that he mentions. The tone of good arti…

> This whole blog post is a petulant child stamping his feet and crying out that it’s unfair that he’s not as well liked as he feels entitled to be.

Did we read the same post? I see someone acknowledging that there are real and valid reasons to dislike him. The main thrust is a request for accuracy when spreading information about those reasons.

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Post by jck »

beebmam wrote: post #27

Certainly I'd like to think there's a special place in hell for those who accuse innocent people of sexual abuse; there's not much worse that one can be accused of. Mental illness or not, there's no excuse for these kinds of false accusations. It's certainly understandable given Freddie's condition. But us understanding why it happened doesn't ethically justify their actions, and it also doesn't relieve the perpetrat…

Full disclosure: I don't know who this guy is and hadn't heard of him before today.

> Get a job, like most of the rest of us, and stop being a public figure. That's what I'd like

This seems a bit harsh. Are you saying that anyone who has done something wrong should be permanently shunned and no longer deserves a voice in society? Should he also fully isolate himself and stop having friends and just not say anything ever again?

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Post by lazyasciiart »

newbie789 wrote: post #149
lazyasciiart wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could not disagree with his opinions more. I think it's perfectly reasonable for him not to want people to pass around stories of what he did when psychotic, I also think that plenty of people may not take issue with him because of this bipolar episode, but that they are willing to use it in an effort to discredit him. I also think that you are unreasonably dismissing the possibility that people take issues with hi…

Wait. What? He publicly holds very polarizing (and ridiculous) views on issues that directly affect people’s day to day lives, but I’m not thinking straight because I don’t immediately buy the idea that he’s _just_ being bullied for other reasons ? Maybe folks that he victimized during his psychotic break could also hate him for his opinions, but that’s not really a possibility that he mentions. The tone of good arti…

No. It doesn't matter if you believe him or not. You're not thinking straight because you do immediately start selling the idea that anybody who believes it could be happening is probably an "enthusiastic lackey" for racism.
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