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Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by malermeister » Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 1:20 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #59

malermeister wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't "muh freedom" your way out of a pandemic.

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait to HN? You've been doing a ton of this, unfortunately. We ban such accounts, regardless of which ideology they're battling for. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you weren't aware of the site guidelines, but if you'd please review them ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ) and stick to the intended spirit from now on, we…

Now while the phrasing might've been a bit provocative, I do believe I made a substantive point.

The parent was making a comparison between health measures and dictatorship. I made a counterpoint that freedom is worthless if we're all dead from disease.

The dysphemism was merely a rhetorical device to add a little color to the argument, but the argument per se was just that, a substantive argument.

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by dang » Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 3:53 AM UTC

malermeister wrote: post #61

dang wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait to HN? You've been doing a ton of this, unfortunately. We ban such accounts, regardless of which ideology they're battling for. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you weren't aware of the site guidelines, but if you'd please review them ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ) and stick to the intended spirit from now on, we…

Now while the phrasing might've been a bit provocative, I do believe I made a substantive point. The parent was making a comparison between health measures and dictatorship. I made a counterpoint that freedom is worthless if we're all dead from disease. The dysphemism was merely a rhetorical device to add a little color to the argument, but the argument per se was just that, a substantive argument.

"Freedom is worthless if we're all dead from disease" doesn't seem particularly substantive to me.

In any case, please make your arguments without swipes and without breaking the site guidelines in the future. You've been doing that repeatedly, not just in this one case. That's not cool.

Commenters tend to underestimate how provocative their own provocations are (by at least 10x), and overestimate it in the other person. Objects in the mirror are much closer than they appear. That's why we all need to err on the opposite side - otherwise we just get a downward spiral.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: People with 1 dose J&J will be considered unvaxxed from Jan 3rd 2022 in Austria

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Post by malermeister » Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 5:46 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #62

malermeister wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now while the phrasing might've been a bit provocative, I do believe I made a substantive point. The parent was making a comparison between health measures and dictatorship. I made a counterpoint that freedom is worthless if we're all dead from disease. The dysphemism was merely a rhetorical device to add a little color to the argument, but the argument per se was just that, a substantive argument.

"Freedom is worthless if we're all dead from disease" doesn't seem particularly substantive to me. In any case, please make your arguments without swipes and without breaking the site guidelines in the future. You've been doing that repeatedly, not just in this one case. That's not cool. Commenters tend to underestimate how provocative their own provocations are (by at least 10x), and overestimate it in the other per…

Point taken on the subjective judgement on provocation - I'll try to do better there!

I do still think liberty vs life and the right balance between the two should they be in conflict is an interesting philosophical discussion to be had, fwiw.