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A Short Rant About Hosting

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Re: A Short Rant About Hosting

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I particularly like this nugget: > Quick quiz: can your entire sales staff be replaced by a nicely formatted HTML table? If the answer is 'yes', then you are subtracting value and wasting my time.

What if the person doesn't know exactly what it is that they need? I know a lot of people who know software but aren't as solid on knowing how to scale the hardware side. For those people a table isn't really helpful. That said however, it should be an option to have that access. I personally prefer Joyent as a web host. They've shown really solid I/O numbers via their benchmarking. I've been a happy customer since i…

> Quick quiz: can your entire sales staff be replaced by a nicely formatted HTML table? If the answer is 'yes', then you are subtracting value and wasting my time.

If they don't know what they need, then the answer to the above question is 'no', and hence doesn't apply. In that case, you might consider asking the provider to recommend what sort of setup "solution" you require. But I wouldn't want to do that through a sales guy, especially someone working on commission. I'd rather get some advice from a disinterested 3rd party (even if it's just asking on StackOverflow/ServerFault or whatever) and then look for suppliers offering what I need.

Re: A Short Rant About Hosting

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post #17

After reading Maciej's last post about his "cathedral" of a server, I moved NewsBlur off of half a dozen Linode VPSs (512MB and 2GB machines, for app/task and db respectively) and onto a hosting provider that offered both dedicated bare metal and a variety of VPS configs. I'm now paying $405 / month for 6 servers, and they range from 2 dedicated db machines with 12GB and 16GB of memory to 1GB virtualized app and task…

What provider is that?

Sounds like StormOnDemand.com by LiquidWeb

Re: A Short Rant About Hosting

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post #10

As someone who runs both AWS and my own dedicated servers I'm starting to see a pattern.. MBA types talk about 'new trends', 'data centric startups' and new opportunities opened up by AWS and such. OTOH practical advice from real people with successful startups - marco arment, jakewalker, others, seems to focus more on the unseen problems of virtual and advantages of just getting your own server. Am I right?

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Re: A Short Rant About Hosting

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post #10

As someone who runs both AWS and my own dedicated servers I'm starting to see a pattern.. MBA types talk about 'new trends', 'data centric startups' and new opportunities opened up by AWS and such. OTOH practical advice from real people with successful startups - marco arment, jakewalker, others, seems to focus more on the unseen problems of virtual and advantages of just getting your own server. Am I right?

Honored as I am to be mentioned in the same breath as Marco, I'm pretty sure you meant idlewords, who runs pinboard, and not me. I haven't leased a private server since about 2004! I just posted the story.

Re: A Short Rant About Hosting

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the person doesn't know exactly what it is that they need? I know a lot of people who know software but aren't as solid on knowing how to scale the hardware side. For those people a table isn't really helpful. That said however, it should be an option to have that access. I personally prefer Joyent as a web host. They've shown really solid I/O numbers via their benchmarking. I've been a happy customer since i…

What if the person doesn't know exactly what it is that they need? I know a lot of people who know software but aren't as solid on knowing how to scale the hardware side. For those people a table isn't really helpful. I don't think a salesman is the first person you want to talk to to help you in this regard.

This is actually a sad state of affairs. It used to be that the salesperson was exactly the kind of guy who could solve this. Now they're just too busy padding deals with stuff almost everyone knows you don't need.

Re: A Short Rant About Hosting

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post #17

After reading Maciej's last post about his "cathedral" of a server, I moved NewsBlur off of half a dozen Linode VPSs (512MB and 2GB machines, for app/task and db respectively) and onto a hosting provider that offered both dedicated bare metal and a variety of VPS configs. I'm now paying $405 / month for 6 servers, and they range from 2 dedicated db machines with 12GB and 16GB of memory to 1GB virtualized app and task…

What provider is that?

I use reliablehostingservices.net. Been solid for about 6 months now. Billing sucks (credit card for every server because I bought a few of them at different times -- so different billing cycles), but that's part of the benefit.

Re: A Short Rant About Hosting

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If your server enclosures are made of elemental silver and polished daily with static-free cloths by computer science PhDs who are related by blood to Edgar Dijkstra, then I definitely want to know about that. Put a paragraph about it right under your price chart.

Now, that certainly would be something to pay for. Who provides that?

Re: A Short Rant About Hosting

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post #30
post #3

"Quick quiz: can your entire sales staff be replaced by a nicely formatted HTML table? If the answer is 'yes', then you are subtracting value and wasting my time." My god that is good. I spent two weeks about three years ago going around the country looking at data centers to move our systems to (30+ servers that were currently in a co-lo and we were looking to go to managed/leased). We'd get pricing estimates that c…

seriously. i like to buy parts for things online and i am infuriated when there is a "call us" for what is ultimately a $37 part or whatever.

My rule of thumb is that if they don't put the price out there, either they're too expensive, or they aren't worth buying from
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