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I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

#21
I like Freddie despite his mental problems/communism. His heart usually seems in right place even if his brain isn’t working right.

But when he say his “psychotic disorder is harder on me than it is on you” it sounds a bit like the guy who beats his wife while saying “it hurts me more than it hurts you.”

Destigmatization should not be a license for communism/cancel culture.

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

#22
post #11

It is not, in fact, "unambiguously a lie" to relate to others deBoer's grave (and admitted, and unambiguously real) misconduct without the full context of his mental illness. People are entitled to form their own opinions about deBoer's credibility, and he is not entitled to set conditions on how they do that.

I don't know deBoer from Adam, mind you, so I'm only going off the article as written. That said, while it's not strictly a lie to communicate deBoer's actions without conveying how psychosis played a role, it seems to leave out important context in favor of the presumption that he's simply an asshole. My assignment of credibility to deBoer could be substantially colored by learning of his psychosis and current effor…

I agree completely. As the parent says, people are entitled to form their own opinion of his credibility, but I don't see how you could possibly form an accurate opinion without knowledge of his mental state, and if you don't care to form an accurate opinion, then why bother?

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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post #11

It is not, in fact, "unambiguously a lie" to relate to others deBoer's grave (and admitted, and unambiguously real) misconduct without the full context of his mental illness. People are entitled to form their own opinions about deBoer's credibility, and he is not entitled to set conditions on how they do that.

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Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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post #11

It is not, in fact, "unambiguously a lie" to relate to others deBoer's grave (and admitted, and unambiguously real) misconduct without the full context of his mental illness. People are entitled to form their own opinions about deBoer's credibility, and he is not entitled to set conditions on how they do that.

As somebody in a family with bipolar I have to disagree. Someone's schizophrenic episodes should be taken into account in judging their actions, just as one's manic episodes should be as well. This in no way excuses their behavior. Whether or not you want to continue associating with that person is a different matter.

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

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post #7

> But in fact I had not intended to cancel Harris; I hadn’t intended anything at all. I would have attacked him, physically, had he been present, over a pure delusion, which I say with shame I can’t put into words. But I was not thinking that I would hurt his reputation. I was not thinking of cause and effect in any conventional way. I was not in a mental state where I was capable of understanding long-term consequen…

The main issue, as I see things, is that the average person has been losing their faculties to determine what is genuine online and what isn't. This greatly favors capitalism, which can perform native marketing on Twitter with brand accounts and hired reply-guys, as well as through advertisements and other methods of attention diversion. The final incarnation of this is platforms like Tik-Tok, which behave as perpetual, unfiltered streams of internet that intentionally mixes your wheat and your chaff.

With relation to mental illness, this issue becomes exacerbated. The anomie, or separation from the human race, is almost intolerable on platforms like Twitter and Instagram. All of it feeds into the grinder of selling more widgets and moving more product.

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

#27
Certainly I'd like to think there's a special place in hell for those who accuse innocent people of sexual abuse; there's not much worse that one can be accused of.

Mental illness or not, there's no excuse for these kinds of false accusations. It's certainly understandable given Freddie's condition. But us understanding why it happened doesn't ethically justify their actions, and it also doesn't relieve the perpetrators from the consequences of their actions.

"To those of you who are not people I harmed in my psychotic episode in August 2017… what is it you think I owe you?" - What I'd like is to simply not hear from this person in public again. I don't want them to have any sort of public social power, given their capability to totally ruin an innocent person's life.

Get a job, like most of the rest of us, and stop being a public figure. That's what I'd like

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

#28
post #7

> But in fact I had not intended to cancel Harris; I hadn’t intended anything at all. I would have attacked him, physically, had he been present, over a pure delusion, which I say with shame I can’t put into words. But I was not thinking that I would hurt his reputation. I was not thinking of cause and effect in any conventional way. I was not in a mental state where I was capable of understanding long-term consequen…

I think it’s clear that social media (or more broadly, “the internet”), is exacerbating mental health issues. At the very same time, the ability to connect with people around the world is undoubtedly also reducing mental health issues (for some) by building bridges to friendships and social connections they otherwise would not have. It is a double edged sword. The internet serves to amplify the extremes. At least tha…

We have two be careful (I have Schiozoaffective Bipolar Disorder) when going on to social media. I cannot use Facebook at all. For some reason it is always a huge trigger for me. On Twitter I go back and forth. Even Hacker News frustrates me when they keep telling me I am "posting too fast". Most times nothing is too fast for me. :)

But in total, I would say some social media platforms are worse than others. I long for the calmness and organization of the old MyBB forums.

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

#29
post #7

> But in fact I had not intended to cancel Harris; I hadn’t intended anything at all. I would have attacked him, physically, had he been present, over a pure delusion, which I say with shame I can’t put into words. But I was not thinking that I would hurt his reputation. I was not thinking of cause and effect in any conventional way. I was not in a mental state where I was capable of understanding long-term consequen…

instead of quiet desperation, people can now lead lives of shrieking desperation

Re: I would like closure, but I'll take honesty

#30
post #11

It is not, in fact, "unambiguously a lie" to relate to others deBoer's grave (and admitted, and unambiguously real) misconduct without the full context of his mental illness. People are entitled to form their own opinions about deBoer's credibility, and he is not entitled to set conditions on how they do that.

I don't know deBoer from Adam, mind you, so I'm only going off the article as written. That said, while it's not strictly a lie to communicate deBoer's actions without conveying how psychosis played a role, it seems to leave out important context in favor of the presumption that he's simply an asshole. My assignment of credibility to deBoer could be substantially colored by learning of his psychosis and current effor…

Lies are more than untruth.

A lie is "[leaving] out the important context"

The most effective way to lie is to use facts. Selectively

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