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Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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Re: Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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Maybe we should shutdown all labs studying pathogens until they can figure out how to handle themselves. We aren’t even through the current scientist caused pandemic yet.

> We aren’t even through the current scientist caused pandemic yet I'm astonished there are people that think like this on HN

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Re: Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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> In the event of an outbreak, the C.D.C. said, “there is enough smallpox vaccine to vaccinate every person in the United States.” I wonder whether the CDC has re-evaluated their scenarios and simulations given the politicization of vaccines during this pandemic.

IIRC, the smallpox vaccine is the one that scars you for life. I bet a lot of people would be afraid of it at first, but a 30% fatality rate is probably high enough to change a lot of antivaxers' minds.

Re: Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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As I mentioned this years ago here I once found microscope slides in my grandpa basement labeled small pox. He was a doctor/ scientist. Everyone said that the slides would contain inactive virus that were of no threat. I’ve long gotten rid of them because I haven’t owned a microscope in ages and with the internet can always look up small pox there.

Re: Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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> In the event of an outbreak, the C.D.C. said, “there is enough smallpox vaccine to vaccinate every person in the United States.” I wonder whether the CDC has re-evaluated their scenarios and simulations given the politicization of vaccines during this pandemic.

Smallpox is much nastier than COVID. After a few days of the nightly news showing bulldozers pushing piles of bodies into mass graves, I imagine vaccine uptake would be better than our current situation.

Re: Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully they're smart enough not to brag about it now that the feds are involved.

Handwriting or printer yellow dots can still lead to them. Sign of times though - calling law enforcement when you find old pathogen and its vaccine in a freezer in a vaccine development lab. MBA types. In order to mentally train myself for an MBA career i need to start calling law enforcement anytime i find a bug in the 20+ years old code.

I actually just got my MBA so I feel extra qualified to answer this statement.

When you see something that does not seem belong where it is, you cannot pretend that did not see it. In fact, willful blindness is a thing. There is a reason CYA has become a well known acronym.

Re: Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

#77

Related: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/bill-gates-smallp... edit: Wow downvotes for linking to an event related to small pox. I figured it was important especially the timing. How many other small pox events do you remember in recent history? It's simply an interview about smallpox that happened recently. All I said was it was related.

“Battling misinformation” these days is more about conditioning people to practice crimestop it seems. Thanks for posting, I hadn’t seen this before, and it’s definitely interesting

Re: Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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A smallpox pandemic would be orders of magnitude more deadly than COVID. COVID has a very low death rate and is comparable to the flu, whereas Smallpox kills 30% of people it infects and disfigures an even higher percentage. And my understanding is that it is just as contagious (may be wrong on this). Read up on Operation Dark Winter (2001 era wargame of a US smallpox outbreak) for details on how this might play out.…

> A smallpox pandemic would be orders of magnitude more deadly than COVID Edit: fair enough there’s no vaccinations for smallpox anymore. But countries do still buy stockpiles

Childhood vaccinations against smallpox in the US stopped in 1971, 50 years ago.

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/49/...

Re: Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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post #64

A smallpox pandemic would be orders of magnitude more deadly than COVID. COVID has a very low death rate and is comparable to the flu, whereas Smallpox kills 30% of people it infects and disfigures an even higher percentage. And my understanding is that it is just as contagious (may be wrong on this). Read up on Operation Dark Winter (2001 era wargame of a US smallpox outbreak) for details on how this might play out.…

> A smallpox pandemic would be orders of magnitude more deadly than COVID Edit: fair enough there’s no vaccinations for smallpox anymore. But countries do still buy stockpiles

> People still get vaccinated against smallpox when they’re young

No, they don't. I do not think there is even a single country that routinely vaccinates children against smallpox.

Re: Vials labeled ‘smallpox’ are found in Pennsylvania laboratory

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Apparently this happened before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox > On July 1, 2014, six sealed glass vials of smallpox dated 1954, along with sample vials of other pathogens, were discovered in a cold storage room in an FDA laboratory at the National Institutes of Health location in Bethesda, Maryland. The smallpox vials were subsequently transferred to the custody of the CDC in Atlanta, where virus taken from…

More than once. "The smallpox virus escaped three times from labs in England in the 1960’s and 1970’s, causing 80 cases and 3 deaths." https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-peop...

Then a good deal of the population was vaccinated. The US stopped vaccinating for small pox in, I think, 1972... just before I was born.
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