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Chess Grandmaster Kasparov on Mob Mentality and Groupthink

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Re: Chess Grandmaster Kasparov on Mob Mentality and Groupthink

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The first example cites what I guess is an attempted cancellation of Peter Thiel: > In his recent book “The Contrarian,” journalist Max Chafkin assigns an ideology to Mr. Thiel, then defines it as “fascist” and even tries to blame this concocted “Thielism” for the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. There is little doubt that the book would never have come to be had Mr. Thiel not supported Donald Trump in 2016. I mean, OK. I guess…

> who is it not OK to destroy for ideological reasons and who is fair game

IMHO, that's the problem right there. Once you get into this "you did it, so can I" game, you've set into motion the wheels of destruction. This seems best summarized by this quote:

> Destroying the mechanisms of democracy to preserve democracy won’t work

Incidentally, the history of the aptly descriptive idiom "fighting fire with fire" offers a cautionary tale of its own[0]:

> The source of this phrase was actual fire-fighting that was taken on by US settlers in the 19th century. They attempted to guard against grass or forest fires by deliberately raising small controllable fires, which they called 'back-fires', to remove any flammable material in advance of a larger fire and so deprive it of fuel. This literal 'fighting fire with fire' was often successful, although the settlers' lack of effective fire control equipment meant that their own fires occasionally got out of control and made matters worse rather than better.

[0] https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/fight-fire-with-fire.htm...

Re: Chess Grandmaster Kasparov on Mob Mentality and Groupthink

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The first example cites what I guess is an attempted cancellation of Peter Thiel: > In his recent book “The Contrarian,” journalist Max Chafkin assigns an ideology to Mr. Thiel, then defines it as “fascist” and even tries to blame this concocted “Thielism” for the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. There is little doubt that the book would never have come to be had Mr. Thiel not supported Donald Trump in 2016. I mean, OK. I guess…

Gawker was not "cancelled.". It was driven to bankruptcy by losing a massive defamation lawsuit. They brought it on themselves.

Seems a lot like it's only "cancelled" if the target is right-wing.

Re: Chess Grandmaster Kasparov on Mob Mentality and Groupthink

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If you want to hear more of his view, including some solid rebuttals, I highly recommend IntelligenceSquared, a debate series that gets published as a podcast. They cover motions from culture to science to politics across the spectrum and usually get excellent, well-informed debaters on both sides.

Their most recent one was "Cancel Culture is Toxic"[0] and Kasparov was arguing in favor of the motion.

While I ultimately disagree with the motion, I think Kasparov and Kmele Foster (mostly Kmele, really) made the stronger case. And regardless, it was a fascinating and well-argued discussion of the sort you almost never see around topics like "cancel culture." Well worth a listen.

[0] https://intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/cancel-culture-tox...

Re: Chess Grandmaster Kasparov on Mob Mentality and Groupthink

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gawker was not "cancelled.". It was driven to bankruptcy by losing a massive defamation lawsuit. They brought it on themselves.

Seems a lot like it's only "cancelled" if the target is right-wing.

They got to make their case in open court and lost. That's like saying Derek Chauvin was "cancelled."

Re: Chess Grandmaster Kasparov on Mob Mentality and Groupthink

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> Schools are being pressured to remove books and cancel professors for spreading the “wrong” ideas. These sentiments are all too familiar to me, and to anyone who has survived life in a dictatorship. The only answer is more freedom, more speech, not less.

This is a good sentiment, but it's worth noting that the overwhelming majority of pressure to "cancel" books and academics is directed at the left by the right, regardless of what gets column inches and think-pieces.

Re: Chess Grandmaster Kasparov on Mob Mentality and Groupthink

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems a lot like it's only "cancelled" if the target is right-wing.

They got to make their case in open court and lost. That's like saying Derek Chauvin was "cancelled."

The court system is not particularly equal if you piss off a billionare. And Thiel just went and found something to sue about because he didn't like Gawker's _other_ coverage.

Re: Chess Grandmaster Kasparov on Mob Mentality and Groupthink

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Gotta love Kasparov. I think he's wrong about black lives matter. He's right that it's a required movement, but he's wrong that it's about power. In fact it's the opposite.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2014-10-18%202...

black lives matter only exists during the election. And what do they have to show for it? Nothing at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_Justice_in_Polici...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_Law_Enforcement_T...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ending_Qualified_Immunity_Act

Nothing at all passed.

They control the house and never actually passed the legislation. They know they have no power at all. In fact the only person to have done anything for the black community was an exceutive order. https://cops.usdoj.gov/SafePolicingEO

Black lives matter organizers know the democrats aren't doing anything for them. This is in the context of a clear humanitarian crisis. They are actively harming their own goals. Why would they do that?

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