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Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by throwaway946513 »

techsupporter wrote: post #108
DerekBickerton wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So while it looked promising, sadly the next day I was already back to using gmail addresses I know this pain point well. Some sites, instead of using a blacklist of every single disposable e-mail service, just use a whitelist of 'popular' email domains like gmail.com, outlook.com, yahoo.com etc This is why I have accounts with gmail and other popular e-mail providers. That's the only reason. Sad that you have to c…

> Some sites, instead of using a blacklist of every single disposable e-mail service, just use a whitelist of 'popular' email domains This is very interesting to me as I've had my own domain for a very long time and haven't encountered this more than twice in that time. If you don't mind sharing, on what kinds of sites have you seen this? I am not at all discounting your experience. We probably have different interes…

I've had it happen on my DMV's 'personalize license plate' site. In order to reserve a plate I had to provide a gmail address, and could not in fact use my personal domain or protonmail account.

Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by ksec »

arepublicadoceu wrote: post #12

I'm conflicted about this. For me, the best implementation of private alias is the Apple one: %randomwords%[at]icloud.com. It's way harder to wildcard block [at]icloud.com, as there are legit users of the icloud domain, than a wildcard block for: [at]mozmail.com. Unfortunately, using the apple implementation is just one more stone into their walled garden. I really wish firefox could create a legit free [at]firefox (…

I actually think Mail, VPN and password manager are three things that Mozilla should have done since day 1.

The three have one thing in common that is privacy and trust. They are also all proven profitable and sustainable business. Which they should have used to market it and generate some safe income.

File sharing and content ads were all too risky moves.

Now that their product brand are damaged it is harder to built. Not to mention they now have a fewer user to capture those value.

Re: Firefox Relay

#153

Post by toeknee0 »

ranguna wrote: post #138
AbuAssar wrote: post #113

Mozilla, I want to give you money and subscribe, Yet you refuse with this ambiguit error: The currency of this subscription is not valid for the country associated with your payment. Try again

PM of relay posted a few comments up that they had delivered a fix 2h ago. Try again, it might work this time.

Thanks for "relaying" the comment! :)

Just to clarify my earlier comment, you should be able to subscribe to premium if you're in the following countries with payment details that match the country: United States, Germany, United Kingdom, Canada, Singapore, Malaysia, New Zealand, France, Belgium, Austria, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Netherlands, and Ireland.

For users outside these countries, we know that it's not as clear in the experience that premium isn't available yet, and we'll be making updates very shortly to make this more clear. Additionally, we'll continue to try and grow the list of countries that Relay is available in, so please give us your feedback to help us prioritize expansion. Also, the free experience is available globally, if you're not able to subscribe to Premium yet, but still want to use Relay.

Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by dralley »

bambax wrote: post #14
arepublicadoceu wrote: post #12

I'm conflicted about this. For me, the best implementation of private alias is the Apple one: %randomwords%[at]icloud.com. It's way harder to wildcard block [at]icloud.com, as there are legit users of the icloud domain, than a wildcard block for: [at]mozmail.com. Unfortunately, using the apple implementation is just one more stone into their walled garden. I really wish firefox could create a legit free [at]firefox (…

Agreed. They are all over the place and don't take good care of the only important thing, which is the browser. If I want a vpn, I will get a vpn. Same with email alias. This is yet another distraction. I'm not very optimistic.

The problem is that half the commenters in any given thread about Mozilla say things like "they're too dependent on Google for revenue" and the other half say things like "they have too many side-projects, they should just focus on Firefox" and some select few complain about both simultaneously.

Pocket, VPN, and Relay are all revenue generating and probably don't require that much effort to run.

Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by the8472 »

andrewaylett wrote: post #149
the8472 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thunderbird supports custom From: addresses in the mail compose window.

It's worth noting that many recipients will use SPF and DMARC to avoid accepting "forged" email like this -- spammers make very heavy use of the historical lack of authorisation for sending mail as if from a particular address.

The context of this thread is having a domain with a catchall inbox and that domain already having all the necessary DNS stuff is assumed.

The custom From is just a way to send from any address for that catchall, I was not suggesting to use it to send from abitrary addresses, which would be quite pointless since you then wouldn't get the replies.

Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by andrewaylett »

the8472 wrote: post #155
andrewaylett wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that many recipients will use SPF and DMARC to avoid accepting "forged" email like this -- spammers make very heavy use of the historical lack of authorisation for sending mail as if from a particular address.

The context of this thread is having a domain with a catchall inbox and that domain already having all the necessary DNS stuff is assumed. The custom From is just a way to send from any address for that catchall, I was not suggesting to use it to send from abitrary addresses, which would be quite pointless since you then wouldn't get the replies.

The context is also using a third-party service for the catchall, which is less likely to have suitable records set up for sending from.

Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by llampx »

toeknee0 wrote: post #135
llampx wrote: post #9

I just signed up and sent myself a test email. It took a couple of minutes but it came through with banners above and below the content. Pretty nice service however again I am afraid that one day the plug will be pulled and the email addresses will be orphaned.

Hi! I'm the Product Manager on Relay. Thank you for sharing your concerns, we absolutely understand this risk and the investment and trust it takes to sign up for a service like Firefox Relay. We're actively investing resourcing into our privacy and security products like VPN and Relay and hope to grow these services while providing more protections to more people. I hope that you can come along with us and try out R…

At least one service I use has already blocked @mozmail.com addresses, unfortunately. Without a more common/generic TLD this is dead in the water.

Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by antihero »

ssalazars wrote: post #97
antihero wrote: post #8

This is cool, however, personally I feel like for my use case that integration with 1Password and Fastmail is better because I don't want to depend on a browser that I cannot use everywhere to manage this. In the same way that I avoid Sign in with Apple - what am I supposed to do when I need to Sign in without Apple?! I find 1P+FM is a much more cross-platform solution. However, I commend Firefox for creating this fu…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you would still need to pay $3 USD/mo for Fastmail even if you use 1P. Whereas with Relay, it's 0.99 USD/mo, and no need to migrate my existing email to any other service.

Well yes, it is much better if you already use Fastmail.

Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by antihero »

Lio wrote: post #44
antihero wrote: post #8

This is cool, however, personally I feel like for my use case that integration with 1Password and Fastmail is better because I don't want to depend on a browser that I cannot use everywhere to manage this. In the same way that I avoid Sign in with Apple - what am I supposed to do when I need to Sign in without Apple?! I find 1P+FM is a much more cross-platform solution. However, I commend Firefox for creating this fu…

Right with you on Fastmail, it's excellent. Just wondering though where do you feel you can't use Firefox? As far as I know it runs on all major platforms even if the rendering engine on iOS is still Safari.

I find on iOS it just isn't as well integrated as using Safari.

Also, apps.

Edit: I am trying it again and it seems a lot better integrated than when I last tried - you can set it as your default browser! Is there a reliable way to block ads, though?

Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by brucecandoli »

the_duke wrote: post #26

I've been using this pattern for years. I have a custom domain just for signups, and I sign up with [service].[username]@customdomain. The domain simply has a catchall email "accounts@customdomain" Combined with a password manager (Bitwarden) this is absolutely brilliant. * Spam: if I get any spam, I know exactly which company is responsible, whether directly, through selling user data or because of breaches. And I c…

Fastmail has recently provided masked email too: https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/4406536368911-Ma...
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