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Finding Your Swagger

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Re: Finding Your Swagger

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post #14

I'm sorry, but I can't connect the dots in that story. 1) He did great (like, there's actual metrics mentioned) 2) Others wanted a different direction (even though he did great?) and didn't tell him 3) They excluded him from meetings 4) They fired him 5) He blamed not "re-centering" himself In the notes, he mentions that one of his later decisions (splitting engineering) was a bad choice. So isn't that the core of it…

I think the “lost swagger” thing is that there was a decision made behind closed doors that he knew was bad and chose not to speak up. So when that decision indeed caused something bad, he emailed the CEO explaining why they should have know it was bad from the start. And the CEO complained that he was hired to “speak up” and he didn’t. And instead of bouncing back, he spiraled downwards (presumably doing a very bad job and justifying his firing).

If he had the confidence to come back to who he was, even after being targeted by jealous executives and messing up with one decision (splitting the eng team), he would have done a better job.

That’s my take of it

Re: Finding Your Swagger

#22

I appreciate the honesty of the post. For myself, I don’t think having “swagger” is particularly constructive. Ego is a mind-killer. It is selling smoke. I’m quite good at what I do. In some things, I am very good; but at many, many other things, I still have a lot to learn, and in other areas, it’s best I stay out of the kitchen, entirely. In the areas in which I excel, I often exude great confidence, which is somet…

> “Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.”

And if you are clever you also get your experience from bad judgment others make.

Re: Finding Your Swagger

#23
This was a tough post to read, and I am glad the author was able to recover and land on his feet again. But, I can't help but think that this was an awful work environment.

First of all, no one should feel blindsided and fired like that! It sounds like the only feedback he ever got was some received was some vague 'get your mojo back'. Also, having to force yourself into meetings is just a sign of toxic politics to me. It certainly doesn't need to be a formal top down structure, but when people start getting exclusionary and territorial that is a bad sign.

I understand this is a startup, but there were 100 people! If the company is counting on everyone to impulsively take initiative that sounds like total chaos. Even when I worked at a company with 10 people I would think through proposals, then discuss them with my manager or the CEO before actually executing.

The last thing is that having swagger shouldn't replace authenticity. People have a good ability to sniff out a phony, so be yourself. If you end up in some wild chaotic environment where you have to fight to survive, the best option may be to leave!

Re: Finding Your Swagger

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post #22

I appreciate the honesty of the post. For myself, I don’t think having “swagger” is particularly constructive. Ego is a mind-killer. It is selling smoke. I’m quite good at what I do. In some things, I am very good; but at many, many other things, I still have a lot to learn, and in other areas, it’s best I stay out of the kitchen, entirely. In the areas in which I excel, I often exude great confidence, which is somet…

> “Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.” And if you are clever you also get your experience from bad judgment others make.

Yup.

Another favorite aphorism:

"A fool never learns. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others."

One problem that I have with people being given huge responsibility, before getting much experience, is that we haven’t had time to see others make mistakes.

One key reason that I was a good manager, was that I had many bad managers, and learned what not to do.

Re: Finding Your Swagger

#25
We obviously don't know like 99.9% of the full story, but the fact that he had a long session with the COO one evening and then got fired the very next day in the morning is just plain evil and wrong. It's not how you treat a human. It's disrespectful to say the least. The employee went home feeling good, so the COO basically charmed him up the day before firing him in order to get out the last ounce of what they considered was worth getting out of this employee before discarding him. That's disgusting behaviour and I personally would never want to work with such a COO or company at all.

Now on the topic of swagger. I agree, it's important to know who you are and be comfortable to be that person. Every human contributes in their own way. Swagger doesn't mean ego or arrogance, to me swagger means you know your strengths and feel comfortable to play your role in your team/community/family/etc.

Some people are great critical thinkers, some are great motivators, jokers, conservatives and risk averse planners, etc.

You need all of them. Everyone has their own swagger. Some people are quiet and sit in the corner of a room and throw in a critical question at the right moment of a meeting which others might find annoying but in the end everyone knows it was good that it happened. Some talk a lot, walk into a room and make jokes and struggle to sometimes focus on the topic at hand but they lift up spirits and soften the mood when things get heated. Like there is really no perfect human being. You need all those different characters to contribute and it requires everyone to be accepting of the other person in order to really become a great team. This is how it works in strong families who go through thick and thin and this is how it works in great performing teams.

Know yourself and know your swagger!

Re: Finding Your Swagger

#27
It is not very clear why did they fire him. Did he not fulfill his duties?

Being fired for not speaking when he was previously excluded from those discussions seems absurd. Anyway, he was hired as a PO, he wasn't a CTO or COO and wasn't responsible for the company strategy.

Maybe he was fired because they didn't like him and he didn't go well along with the others? That would explain also why he was excluded from the discussions.

Re: Finding Your Swagger

#28
post #14

I'm sorry, but I can't connect the dots in that story. 1) He did great (like, there's actual metrics mentioned) 2) Others wanted a different direction (even though he did great?) and didn't tell him 3) They excluded him from meetings 4) They fired him 5) He blamed not "re-centering" himself In the notes, he mentions that one of his later decisions (splitting engineering) was a bad choice. So isn't that the core of it…

I hope no one comes away after reading this thinking it is a good way to run a company. It is not!

If you are making any decision, it is on you to seek out and include all relevant stakeholders and include them. People should not have to walk around sniffing for meetings that they weren't invited to and pushing their opinions in so that they feel heard.

I trust my coworkers to include me if they want my opinion, and I trust them to make a good decision on their own if they don't!

Re: Finding Your Swagger

#29
Thanks Kevin for writing this up.

It's very hard to know the exact circumstances from one side of the story, but I agree wholeheartedly with voicing opinions when important, even if difficult or 'not your place'.

And of course, it's usually a sign something has gone wrong with people management if someone is very surprised when they're fired.

Re: Finding Your Swagger

#30
post #14

I'm sorry, but I can't connect the dots in that story. 1) He did great (like, there's actual metrics mentioned) 2) Others wanted a different direction (even though he did great?) and didn't tell him 3) They excluded him from meetings 4) They fired him 5) He blamed not "re-centering" himself In the notes, he mentions that one of his later decisions (splitting engineering) was a bad choice. So isn't that the core of it…

Yes, it's quite obscure. The meeting with the COO that asks for a brain dump and then fire him the morning after is the most troubling.

Did the COO want to get what was on his mind so the company would lose nothing by firing him? Or was he utterly disappointed about said mind?

I really don't understand what any of this has to do with swagger.

Yet it is true you have to find it, and it's not obvious. Many times, what you're good at is what you can do better than others with less effort. But we can't see it because we associate value with effort; if it's easy for me then surely it's worthless?

Well, no. If it's easy for you (and difficult for others) then that's your trade.

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