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Re: Cloud Foundry Adds PHP and Python

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Post by shykes » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 7:39 PM UTC

cardmagic wrote: post #7

shykes wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good news! You can now scratch your own itch on dotCloud. We've added support for custom builds, which means you can run Tornado, Thin and any other asynchronous web server you want. We're planning a blog post about it the coming days.

Except if you scratch your itch on dotCloud, you can't run it on your own laptop like you can with Cloud Foundry Micro or on other services that might have a better interface like AppFog. That's the problem with contributing to a closed source project.

Lucas, I think you're being unfair to the dotCloud community. If I scratch my itch on dotCloud and share a cool Wordpress [1] or Thin [2] stack, how is that not open?

[1] https://github.com/qpleple/wordpress-on-dotcloud [2] https://github.com/jpetazzo/thin

At the same time you mention in your blog: "Appfog has secret sauce that we did not contribute to the open source project, ways to optimize PHP and the experience around PHP".

For the sake of openness, I encourage you to share your secret PHP sauce as a custom dotCloud build. There's a whole community of hackers doing the same.

Re: Cloud Foundry Adds PHP and Python

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Post by cardmagic » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 7:41 PM UTC

gte910h wrote: post #10

I'm a little fuzzy on the exact story of cloudfoundry. It may just be lack of business level pricing, but I find the options they present confusing, not illuminating. I have clients who are scared off of possible lock in with stuff like GAE, but would love something that seems quite close to a cloud foundry based backend, I'm just not 100% on what they do provide, and how they make their money.

That is where AppFog steps in and makes things clear - http://blog.phpfog.com/2011/08/25/appfog-reveals-cloud-found...

Re: Cloud Foundry Adds PHP and Python

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Post by cardmagic » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 8:00 PM UTC

shykes wrote: post #11

cardmagic wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except if you scratch your itch on dotCloud, you can't run it on your own laptop like you can with Cloud Foundry Micro or on other services that might have a better interface like AppFog. That's the problem with contributing to a closed source project.

Lucas, I think you're being unfair to the dotCloud community. If I scratch my itch on dotCloud and share a cool Wordpress [1] or Thin [2] stack, how is that not open? [1] https://github.com/qpleple/wordpress-on-dotcloud [2] https://github.com/jpetazzo/thin At the same time you mention in your blog: "Appfog has secret sauce that we did not contribute to the open source project, ways to optimize PHP and the experience…

It is not open because it is not portable. You can't take wordpress-on-dotcloud and deploy it on any other architecture or platform outside of dotCloud.

Re: Cloud Foundry Adds PHP and Python

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Post by gte910h » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 8:05 PM UTC

cardmagic wrote: post #12

gte910h wrote: post #10

I'm a little fuzzy on the exact story of cloudfoundry. It may just be lack of business level pricing, but I find the options they present confusing, not illuminating. I have clients who are scared off of possible lock in with stuff like GAE, but would love something that seems quite close to a cloud foundry based backend, I'm just not 100% on what they do provide, and how they make their money.

That is where AppFog steps in and makes things clear - http://blog.phpfog.com/2011/08/25/appfog-reveals-cloud-found...

I understand what AppFog does. I don't understand what cloud foundry does. Are they the same people?

I get what the tech does. I don't get what the support, reliability, chance to be in here 5 years, etc stories are.

Re: Cloud Foundry Adds PHP and Python

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Post by gte910h » Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 8:16 PM UTC

gte910h wrote: post #10

I'm a little fuzzy on the exact story of cloudfoundry. It may just be lack of business level pricing, but I find the options they present confusing, not illuminating. I have clients who are scared off of possible lock in with stuff like GAE, but would love something that seems quite close to a cloud foundry based backend, I'm just not 100% on what they do provide, and how they make their money.

Oh that's it: I just finally figured out that this is a VMWare owned project, not a startup. Duh

Re: Cloud Foundry Adds PHP and Python

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Post by wattersjames » Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 8:11 AM UTC

gte910h wrote: post #15

gte910h wrote: post #10

I'm a little fuzzy on the exact story of cloudfoundry. It may just be lack of business level pricing, but I find the options they present confusing, not illuminating. I have clients who are scared off of possible lock in with stuff like GAE, but would love something that seems quite close to a cloud foundry based backend, I'm just not 100% on what they do provide, and how they make their money.

Oh that's it: I just finally figured out that this is a VMWare owned project, not a startup. Duh

Yes it is, and we aren't going away any time soon. :) We'll more than be here in five years.

Re: Cloud Foundry Adds PHP and Python

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Post by gte910h » Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 10:06 PM UTC

wattersjames wrote: post #16

gte910h wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh that's it: I just finally figured out that this is a VMWare owned project, not a startup. Duh

Yes it is, and we aren't going away any time soon. :) We'll more than be here in five years.

It's not very transparent that's where the money comes from. It's featured on your web page, but took me awhile to understand this was a way for you to sell more virtualization projects to people.