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Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

djrogers wrote: post #43
whatever1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now the ship has sailed. The files app was introduced I believe in iOS 11. By that time Docusign was already multibillion dollar company with high market share, and the iOS users were not trained to use files anyway. So even if you Can do it yourself, you are receiving a docusign link anyway.

Don't confuse the ability to scribble on a digital document with an actual 'legal' electronic signature.

DocuSign does not give you an eIDAS-compliant certificate, so what makes it any more legal than any scribble I can do myself?

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Post by nelsondev »

paxys wrote: post #55

When two parties are signing any non-trivial contract the $2 service fee is insignificant. Reducing it to $0.25 or whatever else isn't going to convince anyone to switch over. It's the brand that matters, and Docusign has successfully built it.

Imagine you are a real estate company that manages 10s of thousands of properties, and you have people sign an application fee, and then a lease agreement. If it’s trivial to switch over, why not save the 10s of thousands of dollars?

Not all usecases are 1 on 1.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Post by beecafe »

lbittner wrote: post #64
300bps wrote: post #24

Back when DocuSign first came out around 2003 the finance company I worked for was ready to sign up with them at an exorbitant rate. From what I recall, President Clinton had just signed the e-signature bill in 2000 and all DocuSign seemed to be doing is combining a snapshot of a document along with someone's hand-typed name and generating an MD5 hash from it. I proposed creating our own e-signature app that did that…

I work for a large PDF processing company (not Adobe) and true digital signatures are a bit more complex than that. Docusign actually uses our technology in their signing flow and it is a bit more complex than what you are describing. A true digital signature ensures that the document is not altered after the document is signed. This is done by creating a hash of the document, encrypting it using a private key provid…

Isn't this the normal meaning of digital signature in computer circles? Where signature normally refers to cryptographic signing with a private key than with a squiggle on paper.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Post by ryandrake »

MichaelApproved wrote: post #66
tyingq wrote: post #4

I know bikeshedding about names is discouraged, but in the case of signatures, isn't there a desire to evoke a "trust" feeling? It's hard to tie "cheap" to "trust". Some other synonym like "eco" might project trust better.

I'll never understand using "cheap" for a company name, especially when people who require signatures are usually in very professional environments. - They're positioning themselves to always compete on price, not offerings. - It's professionally embarrassing to use a product named "cheap" anything. I have so much trouble recommending namecheap.com to my clients because of this. They're reliable and budget friendly b…

I thought the same thing about SurveyMonkey, but here we are—it’s used everywhere, including for all kinds of SeriousBusiness™ use cases. I think if the product is really good enough, nobody cares what it is called.

EDIT: Another example: NameCheap. Great service. Nobody cares that it has that in the name.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Post by chaps »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #68
paxys wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay how do I capture the IP address of the person who signed the document over email?

What are you going to do with that IP address? I don't know what IP I had 5 years ago when I signed some documents, or whether I signed it from home. What does that IP address prove? Furthermore, likely your email provider does know what IP address you connected from.

That and VPN, coffee shop, shared internet, etc etc. I don't get the point of needing an IP of a signed document either. Hell, you can draw a penis with your arm pit and call that your signature and federally it would be true... so maybe they have some niche (with strange ethics) requirements.

Maybe they're dealing with massive amounts of anti-fraud stuffs.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Post by pkaler »

tyingq wrote: post #4

I know bikeshedding about names is discouraged, but in the case of signatures, isn't there a desire to evoke a "trust" feeling? It's hard to tie "cheap" to "trust". Some other synonym like "eco" might project trust better.

This looks like a Painted Door Test where the creator is testing the value proposition and the pricing.

I suspect the next iteration of the product/company will have a different brand name.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Post by NikolaNovak »

tyingq wrote: post #4

I know bikeshedding about names is discouraged, but in the case of signatures, isn't there a desire to evoke a "trust" feeling? It's hard to tie "cheap" to "trust". Some other synonym like "eco" might project trust better.

Unfortunately, 100% agree. When we signed purchase documents for our house, $2 for e-Signature was nowhere near the top 99% of costs/concerns :P. If our real estate agent sent us to "CheapSignatures.com", yea... we would've been uncomfortable. Irrational? Perhaps. Probably. But that's the gut reaction either way :|.

If their aim is to capture potentially larger market of lower-revenue transactions, something like "StreamlinedSignatures" or "VerifiedSignatures" or as you say "EcoSignatures" would be much safer.

Also, now I have to google what's "BikeShedding" :D

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Post by prepend »

rvnx wrote: post #29
tata71 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We'll send you an email to sign with our secure in-house service, it's like DocuSign?, and that'll wrap everything up!"

Yeah, won't work for most of the situations when the lawyers come, because the lawyers will claim the third-party website is bogus

> lawyers will claim the third-party website is bogus

Lawyers accept any scribbled signature. The Preview scribble image cut and paste thing works fine.

Where this comes up is when there’s a disagreement that someone denies signing or there’s a forgery. And DocuSign doesn’t help much there because they aren’t a notary.

DocuSign works for the 99.9999% of times when no one contests it. And doesn’t matter much for the others.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Post by virgilp »

krmmalik wrote: post #22

I will never understand why so many products offer saas pricing when it is of no benefit to the consumer. I don't want to be paying $10/month for something I might only use a few times a year. Just let me pay as I go. I'm relieved to see that model here. Finally. I signed up and I hope other services will follow suit in the same way and relieve us of saas pricing fatigue. Interestingly a startup I helped with some BI…

The counter-argument to that is that pay-per-use discourages usage: "every time you use it, you pay" encourages you to be mindful about how much you use. You may not binge entire series on Netflix if you have to pay for each episode. You may justify a Photoshop subscription so that you have a powerful tool ready whenever you need it, but maybe you would think twice about making a meme if you had to pay for it (with money not just time).

I think it really depends on usecase. For something like e-signature, I can totally see how "pay per signature" makes sense - you wouldn't sign less documents to save a buck! On the contrary, you'd be comfortable keeping a contract knowing you only pay what you use, if you don't sign documents in a month, you pay nothing. So here probably a "subscription" model is a much harder sell.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Post by stackedinserter »

krmmalik wrote: post #22

I will never understand why so many products offer saas pricing when it is of no benefit to the consumer. I don't want to be paying $10/month for something I might only use a few times a year. Just let me pay as I go. I'm relieved to see that model here. Finally. I signed up and I hope other services will follow suit in the same way and relieve us of saas pricing fatigue. Interestingly a startup I helped with some BI…

I'm tired of modern "subscriptions everywhere" too, but OTOH SaaS is burning money even if nobody's using it at the moment. AWS doesn't care if EC2 instance is idling :-) That cost is either included in pay-as-you-go price, or paid as a subscription fee.
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