YMMV, but we have a four year old daughter and have liberally allowed screen time throughout her life with some minor restrictions via parental controls. She's learned so much from the content. We're a non-english home and a lot of her early english words/conversations were absorbed from Word Party (Netflix). Additionally we've found that Daniel Tiger via the PBS app is a great children's show. She also has a couple…
Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?
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Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?
#72No time limit other than it needs to go away at bedtime.
She has her own kid's account on our streaming services on her tablet and some learning apps (ABCMouse, Khan Academy Kids, some Blockly-based beginner programming tools) and we gladly let her switch over to mom or dad's account if she's wanting to a kids' show that for whatever reason isn't on or got removed from the kids' side (e.g. Moana or Nat Geo's Weird But True). Our daughter is also welcome to watch recorded shows on the living room TV from our family's DVR.
She's also welcome to use phones and computers alongside mom or dad to call and video-chat with relatives or to look up information on the Internet.
We've taught our daughter that screens belong in the living room, to always ask permission if she wants to watch a "new-to-her" show on her device, which she's very good about doing. She also has our express permission to stop watching anything that she feels is too scary or otherwise makes her uncomfortable.
To combat the bad influences online, we have regular family discussions about the purpose of commercials and marketing, what's real and what's make-believe, that violence is rarely a good choice for any real-life situation despite TV, and that there are plenty of good people and content on the Internet but also some tricky ones that are out to hurt other people or steal their things: just like it is offline.
Having myself gotten onto the Internet in the early 1990s via "upcycled" computers and dial-up connections to local universities as a precocious tween with little parental help, I don't much faith in technological measures. As you might suspect, I was short on cash, rebellious, intelligent, and interested in all the wrong things online. Thankfully, those days were a lot more forgiving than our own time, and I ended up with a direct path to a career in software engineering rather untimely visits from law enforcement.
With that in mind, apples really don't fall far from trees. My daughter is already very interested in learning to type and wants to "write programs like dad," has her own ideas about how to efficiently guess mom and dad's passcodes, and is much more competent with social graces and persuasion that I ever was. I've no illusions about just how weak kids' accounts, Internet filters, passwords, or even netsec can be against a smart but bored kid with excess time on their hands.
For my wife and I, involved parenting, being truthful and upfront with our child, and modeling moral behavior has been our approach from day one. Besides, one day she'll leave home and will need to decide for herself.
Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?
#73The only one we have so far is that we blocked YouTube at the router level. YouTube (and YouTube Kids etc.) is down-right creepy when kids get hold of it. The kids will watch things like Netflix or Amazon Prime for a bit, get bored, and do something else. They'll play stuff like Minecraft for a bit and move on too. But put them in front of YouTube and they will sit there all day watching banal, repetitive, shockingly…
That's super weird. Have you tried to figure out what the difference is? Netflix and the like also have a lot of the features that I can think would cause such a reaction: infinite playback without user input, very little friction from opening to playing something and so on. Is it the content? Or what it recommends? Might give a reason to why kids seem to be hooked to elsagate videos...
If I had to guess why I would say that it's due to the fact that Netflix is mostly fictions. There is a limit to how much fiction I can consume before having enough.
On the other hand Youtube has a lot of non-fiction content on specific niches. The kind of content that teases the brain just enough to make me feel that I'm learning something and not in fact wasting my time, similar to HN. This is made worse by the very accurate algorithm, which works so well because Youtube has orders of magnitude more content than other platforms.
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#74Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
We tried taking the phone from our teenager as punishment for something and it was like taking a needle from a heroin addict.
At least you know it's an effective incentive.
Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?
#76I tend to think the content is more important than the medium--there are good video games and trashy books--but having seen how miserable I myself can be with all the rabbit-holes of a smartphone, I want the kid to be phone-free as long as possible.
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#779 year old. He started coding when he was 7. JS. He maintains an online website with all his JS code. Updates his own website. No screentime limits. No restrictions. I bookmarked developer.mozilla on his pc but he still prefers that dirty w3schools. I help out sometimes but that shitty language truly drives me up the wall. Sometimes out of spite I code up 1-liners in R and tease him that it'll take 100 years to do th…
Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?
#789 year old. He started coding when he was 7. JS. He maintains an online website with all his JS code. Updates his own website. No screentime limits. No restrictions. I bookmarked developer.mozilla on his pc but he still prefers that dirty w3schools. I help out sometimes but that shitty language truly drives me up the wall. Sometimes out of spite I code up 1-liners in R and tease him that it'll take 100 years to do th…
Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?
#79HSK has a cellphone (iPhone), ESK does not, and will not get till ESK is in High School. HSK got cellphone in 9th grade.
HSK has the iPhone parent thing on his phone so that HSK needs permission for installing apps. No social media apps of any kind, except Join me, which is used by school (I had to compromise here). HSK is ok with it.
At home: We don't use FB, Instagram, TikTok, Discord.. They are all blocked at home via pi-hole, now I also have pfsense. Kids are OK with it since I've bad mouthed social media enough :). Once kids are off to college, will see - at least I've delayed it and hopefully they will be a bit more mature. YouTube apps are not allowed on TV or gaming devices. YouTube use via computer is allowed, since its heavily used by educational websites.
Both kids have computers for school work. No time limit for most part. I occasionally monitor older via remote logging, but have stopped. It's not worth it. If they want to hide they will hide.
They play video games (Switch or PS5) every day for 30 minutes, strictly enforced. Any video game, except very mature, are allowed, but NO online game pay or online game of any kind.
ESK also uses Scratch on the computer and likes it. But that is educational.
TV is extra and watched by the kids unmetered, but is generally not more that 30min-1hr, if they are free and work is done. They always ask before watching TV.
EDIT: In High School some clubs required FB for activity planning and so on. I had gone and argued with the principal in public meetings about this and why is that a requirement. My HSK was OK with not joining clubs if FB was required.
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#80I'm not a parent, but I was somewhat recently parented. Consider holding yourself to the same standard you set for your kid. My parents are mental health professionals and did this with me. I think it was incredibly valuable and I respect them a lot for it now that I'm older. I don't think its wise to restrict usage, watch over their shoulder, or block websites if you aren't willing to submit to the same restrictions…
At what point do you see this starting? I certainly don’t expect or trust a 3 year old to act as responsibly as I do And I’m already a fairly irresponsible person.