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OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet

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Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet

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Post by jrockway »

Every time I see an OpenID site, I just type "http://jrock.us" and am instantly signed up. No username and password selection, no waiting for the retarded e-mail confirmation e-mail... I am instantly registered for any site by just typing a few letters. I am really unsure why people dislike OpenID. As a website user, my time is saved. As a website developer, my time is saved. I suppose if you never intend to use more than one website, OpenID is a waste of time. For everyone else...

I think this guy would dislike e-mail if Facebook messaging had been invented before it. "Everyone with their own domains? That's too confusing. How will we ever explain it? Everyone except me is too dumb to understand!"

(As an aside, why is everyone so obsessed with making things "easy" for "users" they've never met? People aren't as dumb as you expect. Make it work for yourself first -- at least it will be good for one person that way. Your unresearched assumptions are harmful.)

Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet

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Post by derefr »

jamongkad wrote: post #18
derefr wrote: post #13

I don't quite understand this. I may not be using OpenID correctly, but when I ask my users to login, they just pop in their OpenID URI (that is, their username--that's what it's labeled as on my webapps, and that's what it is) and get auto-directed through their provider's auth system, showing up as simply a two-second redirect. When they don't have an OpenID URI yet, I send them over to a provider I trust--right to…

I see Ted's point by trying to read your post about OpenID, even I don't get it.

Well, I was coming at it from a developer's point of view. Here's a user story:

1. I don't have an account with this site. They say that if I have an account with (any of these other OpenID-supporting sites), though, that that one would work instead. Neato, but I don't use any of those, so:

2. I'll click on the register link here. Ah, here's a registration page. It doesn't have the site's logo on it, but they said that would happen--they've outsourced this part.

3. Registered. They gave me a link, and said "just treat it as your username." OK; I'll try to remember it, then. "It'll also work on all those other sites we mentioned, and more every day." Neato again; I might check some of those out.

4. I'm back on the site I started at, and I've already been logged in. They got my nickname right and everything.

(days pass)

5. "You've been logged out of the site due to inactivity." Oh, well, what was my username again? That link thing? Oh, here it is in the autocomplete.

6. Hey, it didn't ask me for my password! What the heck? I'm just logged in all of the sudden. I guess that's good, then.

(weeks pass)

7. "You've been", "inactivity", blah blah blah. Autocomplete.

8. Oh, I'm back on that site that did the registration. They're asking me for my password. Makes sense--they're the only ones that I told that particular detail. Put that in...

9. Ah, I'm back on track and logged in again. Nice.

Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet

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Post by christefano »

axod wrote: post #17
christefano wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be missing the point of both Tedd's post and my response. Tedd's point is that it's hard to understand OpenID and implement it. My point is that it's easy.

Well the overwhelming point is that for the average user, OpenID solves nothing, confuses them, and offers no benefit. It also does more harm than good IMHO opening the door to countless phishing attacks.

I agree with you there. 100%.

All public OpenID providers should be using valid SSL certificates. For some reason that is terribly, terribly wrong, some providers don't (like https://alwaysknownas.com, https://openid4u.net and https://openid.es).

Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet

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Post by brianr »

jrockway wrote: post #21

Every time I see an OpenID site, I just type " http://jrock.us " and am instantly signed up. No username and password selection, no waiting for the retarded e-mail confirmation e-mail... I am instantly registered for any site by just typing a few letters. I am really unsure why people dislike OpenID. As a website user, my time is saved. As a website developer, my time is saved. I suppose if you never intend to use mo…

People aren't as dumb as you expect.

You're right--they are about 10 times dumber. Have you been on Facebook or MySpace, or read YouTube comments lately?

Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet

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Post by axod »

derefr wrote: post #22
jamongkad wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see Ted's point by trying to read your post about OpenID, even I don't get it.

Well, I was coming at it from a developer's point of view. Here's a user story: 1. I don't have an account with this site. They say that if I have an account with (any of these other OpenID-supporting sites), though, that that one would work instead. Neato, but I don't use any of those, so: 2. I'll click on the register link here. Ah, here's a registration page. It doesn't have the site's logo on it, but they said th…

Sorry but that's just way way way too confusing for most internet users.

They know how standard registration/login works. They have a browser that remembers passwords for them. They don't need OpenID.

Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet

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Post by furiouslol »

derefr wrote: post #22
jamongkad wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see Ted's point by trying to read your post about OpenID, even I don't get it.

Well, I was coming at it from a developer's point of view. Here's a user story: 1. I don't have an account with this site. They say that if I have an account with (any of these other OpenID-supporting sites), though, that that one would work instead. Neato, but I don't use any of those, so: 2. I'll click on the register link here. Ah, here's a registration page. It doesn't have the site's logo on it, but they said th…

Sorry. Too confusing for the average internet user.

Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet

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Post by kajecounterhack »

christefano wrote: post #16
axod wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"What I did was register my own domain (callna.me) and install Drupal 6 with the OpenID Provider module. Instant OpenID." So simple your grandma could do it eh?

You seem to be missing the point of both Tedd's post and my response. Tedd's point is that it's hard to understand OpenID and implement it. My point is that it's easy.

So every time a person wants to use it, they simply buy their own domain, install drupal with the openid module and say "yay" ????

Sure, easy.

Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet

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Post by streety »

brianr wrote: post #24
jrockway wrote: post #21

Every time I see an OpenID site, I just type " http://jrock.us " and am instantly signed up. No username and password selection, no waiting for the retarded e-mail confirmation e-mail... I am instantly registered for any site by just typing a few letters. I am really unsure why people dislike OpenID. As a website user, my time is saved. As a website developer, my time is saved. I suppose if you never intend to use mo…

People aren't as dumb as you expect. You're right--they are about 10 times dumber. Have you been on Facebook or MySpace, or read YouTube comments lately?

What percentage of the internet using public is responsible for the type of youtube comments you're talking about? You can't take what is the worst display of human intelligence and hold it up as the standard or average with which you label everyone.

Even taking the youtube commenters I suspect, most of them, would be able to grasp openid if it stood between them and the next ROFLMAO-able video.

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