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Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?

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Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?

#21
OK, well I wrote my doctoral thesis* on digital literacies, so this is a hot topic for me as a parent of an almost 15 year-old boy and almost 11 year-old girl.

TL;DR: we're way stricter than other parents I know both in the UK and other western countries.

For example: we allow them WhatsApp, but no other social media apps on their phone (including YouTube). Devices automatically switch on at 08:00 and off at 20:00. Certain apps, like browsers, have maximum time limits of two hours.

Like me, they're both gamers, but aren't allowed games on their phone - only on tablets and consoles.

This sounds harsh when I write it down in black and white, but as a consequence they both read a lot and are really into sport (both represent the county at football and athletics).

The reason this stuff is so hard is that we're the first generation of parents having to deal with all this. And there are no accepted rules in wider society yet...

* https://dougbelshaw.com/thesis/

Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?

#23
This topic makes me glad I'm not a kid anymore and strengthens my antinatalism - if the world is so fucked that you need to watch your kids all the time and restrict them then what’s the point of bringing them here. Most of my psychological harms come from going to public school, I don’t think that unsupervised screen time harmed me that much.

Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?

#24
post #20

4,5,15 15 year old does his own thing, not a lot can be done there, but he's not stupid with it. Mainly just playing xbox with his friends, watching other people play games on youtube. Younger ones have a Fire tablet each, 1 hour a day limit (unless they ask for more) - mostly seems to be learning games/lego cartoons. Browser disabled, can only use stuff in their age range. They aren't allowed to watch youTube unless…

Any chance of you doing a write up somewhere of how you set this up, how it all works? This sounds fantastic. I'm 3 months out from becoming a parent. This stuff isn't a big deal yet, but in 3 years or so I'm going to need it. I'd love to learn from you. I know what vlans and pi-holes are, but I've never set them up like that and I want to be able to . And if there's me wanting it, I'll bet there's a lot more parents…

I could certainly try, but the gist is:

I have a Mikrotik hAP ac² that I setup the VLANs on, and then some NAT rules that force DNS requests to go to the kid specific raspberry pi if its their VLAN

I also have a Unifi AP for WiFI, which uses radius auth to set the VLAN for devices. So everyone has their own user/password for WiFi, and it sets the VLAN based on that.

Each room also has a network socket in (I ran a load when we bought this house - they aren't used yet in their rooms) which goes back to a netgear managed switch, so if they were to plug into their room, they would get their VLAN also.

At some point I need to sort out a way to limit the speed after a certain time on their VLAN, but it's not super important at the moment.

Edit: Just to add, this was also done as a learning exercise for me, but I think it kinda makes sense. As the youngest get older, we can talk to them about being safe online, and what not to do etc. But at the moment I figure it's the same as locking the cabinet under the sink, or not letting them use the big sharp knives. Sure as they get older we can change it, but at the moment it means they can enjoy the new funky technology without being hassled by some dodgy advert or troll hassling them lol

Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?

#25
Constant. Battle.

Over time they just learn how to wear you down.

When they were younger we could set limits and keep it enforced, but as they get older they just kept find ways to get around them. We tried Google's Family Link (poor quality and mostly useless with ChromeOS), per-device time limits on the wifi router, whatever, but there's always some new battle and COVID just threw a wrench in everything.

In the earlier days it was easier to make the argument because we had very tight bandwidth caps on our (rural) Internet. So there was simply no streaming video for them. But that's gone, and now my son (11) sneaks into the living room, puts on YouTube with the volume turned down and the closed captions on and just watches Minecraft and Terraria videos as long as he can. If that gets shut off, he paces around in his room talking to himself about the same video games.

And now my 14 year old is in high school and a phone is just a part of life for teens now that is really hard to separate them from.

And there's always some friend with parents who've set no limits that they can point to and tell you what a fascist you are, too.

(IMHO the really dangerous period is especially in teenage girls from ages 10-13, because there's all sorts of content out there to access that can have damaging mental health effects. For us it was Tumblr and all sorts of self-harm content and I ended up having to DNS block all of Tumblr and a few other sites for a while. With maturity and discussion they learn to differentiate and critique and talk to you about things, but it's really hard to keep them away from The Bad Stuff. I imagine with teen boys it's more about porn, and that's a battle I'm sure I'll have to face soon, too)

Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?

#26
I seem to have a very different experience from most of the comments so far, so thought I should share. My kids are 6 and 2 and we have no screen time limits but also no problems right now. However, I also think nature is very strong, and we're probably lucky that the kids are naturally very active and don't want to sit at a screen for long periods of time.

The oldest used to want devices so bad I was really worried about how we were going to handle screen time, but then COVID-19 happened and he had to basically get his own iPad for school, plus all sorts of exceptional situations in a pandemic, so he effectively unlocked unlimited screen time early.

The most exciting thing to him was being able to message us, and for a while he didn't want to talk directly but only text us. And he searched for all sorts of things on Google, but mostly just educational stuff (strongest metals, tallest person, etc). But he quickly got used to the iPad just being there, and forgot to be obsessed with it.

To this day, the iPad just sits around and he can grab it anytime to look up stuff. He uses it to show us stuff they talked about in school, look up questions he has, listen to music, etc. Basically using it like a responsible adult would. Occasionally he asks to get a game he's heard about, but we just say no and he seems fine with it.

He is not a particularly well-behaved kid otherwise, so I'm don't want to give the impression I'm humble-bragging about him. I just wanted to share that not everyone needs strict limits to develop a healthy relationship with technology. If the pandemic hadn't blown the doors open, we might still be struggling with limits on an assumed obsession, but we stumbled into the much easier solution of no limits and it worked for us.

Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?

#27
post #23

This topic makes me glad I'm not a kid anymore and strengthens my antinatalism - if the world is so fucked that you need to watch your kids all the time and restrict them then what’s the point of bringing them here. Most of my psychological harms come from going to public school, I don’t think that unsupervised screen time harmed me that much.

"that you need to watch your kids all the time and restrict them"

This is not new. Parents have always done this.

Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?

#28
post #19

We have three kids, aged 6, 3, and 10 months. The six-year-old gets ~30 minutes of Switch play a week (mostly driving circles in Rocket League), and the whole family watches an episode of Lego Masters on Sunday. That's the only screen time they get. When our oldest was ~3, he had been potty trained for awhile. We were on vacation and he was on the iPad we had brought for the plane. He was so engrossed in the game tha…

Word of caution - my parents strictly controlled screen time until I was a young adult - at which point they just stopped. At the same time I moved to a room they couldn't supervise. I lacked the self discipline tools to control my own bed times and screen time, and failed to manage either, impacting my grades. That was an important lesson for sure, but I do think if we'd done something more phased earlier on, it wou…

Sounds like better communication would have been helpful, sharing concerns and listening to each other. This is where I see families, who communicate well, having to the most success in all areas.

Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?

#29

Constant. Battle. Over time they just learn how to wear you down. When they were younger we could set limits and keep it enforced, but as they get older they just kept find ways to get around them. We tried Google's Family Link (poor quality and mostly useless with ChromeOS), per-device time limits on the wifi router, whatever, but there's always some new battle and COVID just threw a wrench in everything. In the ear…

We tried taking the phone from our teenager as punishment for something and it was like taking a needle from a heroin addict.

Re: Ask HN: Tech-savvy parents, what are the gadget rules for your kids?

#30
10yo girl

30 minutes of social media per day (tiktok, insta, snapchat), all accounts are private, and we meet once per week to look together at the feed and moderate it. (e.g. follow more things like https://www.tiktok.com/@zippycode and less things like Charlie whatever)

Unlimited whatsapp, but we still look at it from time to time to see there is no bullying going on.

Using 1.1.1.1 family (1.1.1.3) always connected so there is some basic malware/adult site filtering.

During dinner phones go in a bucket, and we avoid phones until bed time (as a family).

Between 8pm and 10pm we design and code pgzero video games or turtle graphics, or read books, or play fortnite depending on the day.

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