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Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by newscracker »

This looked interesting when I explored it, but the 150KB attachment size limit is too low. I also checked the GitHub issues list for this project and found some open issues with respect to attachment sizes lower than this not getting through (maybe because of inflation with encoding, which end users may not know about or can’t predict).

The premium paid subscription is said to be only available in specific countries, but the payment form seems to appear in other places too. So I’m not sure how the service allows or disallows subscriptions.

A quick thought also occurred to me comparing this with iCloud email aliases from Apple, which is available for all paid iCloud subscriptions starting at the same price as this one ($0.99 per month) and allows the user to use their custom domain (Firefox relay premium gives you one custom subdomain under mozmail.com). And for the same price, Apple also provides 50GB of storage and supports the iCloud Relay hop service for Safari (and apps, if supported).

I’d like to support Firefox monetarily, assuming the revenue from this service goes to Mozilla Corporation (not Mozilla Foundation) and to Firefox. But the attachment size limit is currently unacceptable for me.

Re: Firefox Relay

#62

Post by newhotelowner »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #38
bambax wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have domains with catchall so every email is different, can be created on the fly and can be easily revoked. This is the simplest solution I think.

If you rely on catchall, doesn't that make it more difficult to eliminate spam from breaches or bad actor companies/services? With aliases and no catchall, I just delete a one-time-use alias and all spam goes away. Can you do something similar even if you are using catchall?

instead of domain, use subdomain. You can use forwarding service like improvmx to filter out bad actors. Also, forward email to Gmail. Gmail will reject standard spam emails.

Re: Firefox Relay

#63

Post by nabakin »

bambax wrote: post #14
arepublicadoceu wrote: post #12

I'm conflicted about this. For me, the best implementation of private alias is the Apple one: %randomwords%[at]icloud.com. It's way harder to wildcard block [at]icloud.com, as there are legit users of the icloud domain, than a wildcard block for: [at]mozmail.com. Unfortunately, using the apple implementation is just one more stone into their walled garden. I really wish firefox could create a legit free [at]firefox (…

Agreed. They are all over the place and don't take good care of the only important thing, which is the browser. If I want a vpn, I will get a vpn. Same with email alias. This is yet another distraction. I'm not very optimistic.

I think they have a revenue issue. They can't make the money necessary to sustain a lot of their work so they are trying to find other sources of revenue that are privacy focused to help. See the layoffs from last year for example.

Re: Firefox Relay

#64

Post by EMM_386 »

This sounds interesting, and I'd pay for it, but it seems to be dependent on a Firefox extension.

Sadly, after literally 20+ years of using Firefox, I recently switched to Brave. The performance of FF was wearing on me.

I realize it would seem to be very strange if Mozilla were to create a Chromium extension. But in this case, it is a paid service separate from the browser.

Re: Firefox Relay

#65

Post by piokoch »

the_duke wrote: post #26

I've been using this pattern for years. I have a custom domain just for signups, and I sign up with [service].[username]@customdomain. The domain simply has a catchall email "accounts@customdomain" Combined with a password manager (Bitwarden) this is absolutely brilliant. * Spam: if I get any spam, I know exactly which company is responsible, whether directly, through selling user data or because of breaches. And I c…

"A downside is the unique domain name" that depends, I bet that a lot of services will disallow registration with @mozmail.com addresses and the trick would not work. In case of you custom domain they will never know if this is a real thing or some throwaway address.

Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by groovecoder »

j1elo wrote: post #57

Relay is very cool but it took me like 24 hours since discovering and adopting it, to being unable to use it for an account. So I cannot recommend it to my family and friends who are much less tech literate than I am. In my case I was trying to create an account on the Linux Mint Forums [1]. The confirmation email never arrived, which was very confusing to me. [1]: https://forums.linuxmint.com/ After a couple emails…

(Tech lead of Relay here)

Thanks for the detail! We'll look into this. We definitely want to maximize deliverability.

Re: Firefox Relay

#68

Post by quiet_cool »

gostsamo wrote: post #51
Semaphor wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fastmail has subdomain addressing [0] to solve that. whateveryoulike@username.domain.tld is the same as username+whateveryoulike@domain.tld [0]: https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/360060591053-Plu...

So, spammers will learn to look at the "domain.tld" at one moment if this gets popular.

another options is to buy a domain with a cpanel and set up a forwarder and filter to a specific folder in your secret main email account. The extra benefit here, since you own the domain, is that you can create a send identity of your arbitraryforwardingaddress@yourdomain.tld

Re: Firefox Relay

#69

Post by j1elo »

groovecoder wrote: post #67
j1elo wrote: post #57

Relay is very cool but it took me like 24 hours since discovering and adopting it, to being unable to use it for an account. So I cannot recommend it to my family and friends who are much less tech literate than I am. In my case I was trying to create an account on the Linux Mint Forums [1]. The confirmation email never arrived, which was very confusing to me. [1]: https://forums.linuxmint.com/ After a couple emails…

(Tech lead of Relay here) Thanks for the detail! We'll look into this. We definitely want to maximize deliverability.

Thank you very much! Just to make it clear, I still use Relay for those sites that allow me to use it, I just wouldn't recommend it to friends because this kind of hiccups mean that it's not something that one can rely on with blind eyes. Glad to see there is active interest in ironing them out.

Re: Firefox Relay

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Post by kingcharles »

sysadm1n wrote: post #48
the_duke wrote: post #26

I've been using this pattern for years. I have a custom domain just for signups, and I sign up with [service].[username]@customdomain. The domain simply has a catchall email "accounts@customdomain" Combined with a password manager (Bitwarden) this is absolutely brilliant. * Spam: if I get any spam, I know exactly which company is responsible, whether directly, through selling user data or because of breaches. And I c…

> I have a custom domain just for signups I keep reading about people who say they have a custom domain, but I'm not sure they're aware of the caveat to that. You have to keep renewing it, and domains are infamously changing hands all the time, sometimes to bad actors who want to use the SEO juice of the domain for spam or affiliate marketing, or in the worst case: to take over your identity with it. By all means, ye…

I (unexpectedly) went to jail. Try renewing your domains while you are in jail. As you say, now you've lost access to everything.

My solution: make sure you keep your domains renewed to the maximum allowed by your registrar if you can. 10 years with dotcoms.

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