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Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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There's a huge piece of information missing from that article and much of the reporting of Amazon's decision Visa have put up UK-EU interchange fees (as post Brexit they're not covered by the cap) But it affects Amazon because when you buy something from Amazon UK, you're billed by Amazon Luxembourg and Amazon UK then fulfil Amazon's tax avoidance strategy is part of the reason the charge has increased for them. If t…

Does that mean they just need to set up a billing center in the UK?

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flip side to this is using something like an Amex which offers insurance, points, business lounge access and much more. Set up the card with diret debit (much like your automated payments) and never spend above what you can afford. You now have perks, points, insurance, consumer protection and still zero worries.

You are paying for these "perks" and no I don't need insurance when I'm buying an electronic toothbrush from Amazon thank you very much.

Unless you are getting a discount for paying with a debit card, you are paying for these perks too.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #186

It is mind blowing that in 2021 we have a payment system collecting a fairly big percentage of the economy's output. I don't know for sure, but 2% over revenue could easily be about what the government collects in corporate taxes derived from that revenue.

But that 2% fee is squeezed out from the processors anyways and flows back to consumers.

I think this is not the case. Actually, it's more like they give you some restricted benefits matching something near the fees incurred. And only if you redeem them.

It is also virtually cross subsidy from people paying cash/bank transfer to people paying by credit cards.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #310

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I never understood this point - my debit card has been charged fraudulently couple of times, all it always took was a quick call to Barclays, 2 minutes on the phone with the agent and the charges were reversed and the card cancelled. What exactly can a credit card do better than this?

You called and the money was available for you to spend within 2 minutes? When it happened to me I had to go in and fill out a form and wait about a month (not easy on a student budget).

Yep. I rang and said there's a payment I don't recognize and that I didn't make, for Uber in Vietnam. The agent was like "yep, looks fraudulent, we'll cancel it right now and are sending a new card straight away". Money was back by the time I disconnected from the call. Second time it was someone buying stuff on PSN with my card, exact same situation - had the money back instantly.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

#345

There's a huge piece of information missing from that article and much of the reporting of Amazon's decision Visa have put up UK-EU interchange fees (as post Brexit they're not covered by the cap) But it affects Amazon because when you buy something from Amazon UK, you're billed by Amazon Luxembourg and Amazon UK then fulfil Amazon's tax avoidance strategy is part of the reason the charge has increased for them. If t…

Is that the case for non-digital goods? When I look at my credit card statement, all the Amazon transactions go to Great Britain.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

#346

There's a huge piece of information missing from that article and much of the reporting of Amazon's decision Visa have put up UK-EU interchange fees (as post Brexit they're not covered by the cap) But it affects Amazon because when you buy something from Amazon UK, you're billed by Amazon Luxembourg and Amazon UK then fulfil Amazon's tax avoidance strategy is part of the reason the charge has increased for them. If t…

Does that mean they just need to set up a billing center in the UK?

And report profits in the UK then I presume.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

#347

There's a huge piece of information missing from that article and much of the reporting of Amazon's decision Visa have put up UK-EU interchange fees (as post Brexit they're not covered by the cap) But it affects Amazon because when you buy something from Amazon UK, you're billed by Amazon Luxembourg and Amazon UK then fulfil Amazon's tax avoidance strategy is part of the reason the charge has increased for them. If t…

Does that mean they just need to set up a billing center in the UK?

In theory yes but then the sales are attributed to the UK company so it would affect their tax avoidance strategy

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #151

Rather interestingly my bank (First Direct) in the UK swapped over from a Visa Debit card to a Mastercard recently - I wonder if perhaps there are things going on behind the scenes that consumers are not currently aware of. Rather annoyingly most of my spending with Amazon is on my Visa credit card - can't quite figure out why they are now more expensive to process than the historically expensive AMEX.

Same, but the credit card is still Visa. Not sure why they only switched the debit cards.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

#349

There's a huge piece of information missing from that article and much of the reporting of Amazon's decision Visa have put up UK-EU interchange fees (as post Brexit they're not covered by the cap) But it affects Amazon because when you buy something from Amazon UK, you're billed by Amazon Luxembourg and Amazon UK then fulfil Amazon's tax avoidance strategy is part of the reason the charge has increased for them. If t…

Does that mean they just need to set up a billing center in the UK?

I laughed at your "just" :)

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that 2% fee is squeezed out from the processors anyways and flows back to consumers.

I think this is not the case. Actually, it's more like they give you some restricted benefits matching something near the fees incurred. And only if you redeem them. It is also virtually cross subsidy from people paying cash/bank transfer to people paying by credit cards.

The full 2% isn’t squeezed out but a big portion is. When I can sign up for a credit card, charge $5000 then get $800 back, it’s pretty clear the credit card company is using much of that 2% for customer acquisition.

And as per my other comment, the customer isn’t necessarily paying the full 2%. If credit card companies became charities and charged 0% would all prices drop by 2%? Of course not.

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