OpenID and enterprise Single Sign-On counterparts like SiteMinder are trying to solve a problem that browser-based credential vaults have rendered largely obsolete.
OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet
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Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find that unlike most bloggers, Ted actually is pretty smart about what users like and don't like. OpenID is cluttered. It takes longer to use it than it does to just reregister every single time. Even Clickpass doesn't speed things up. It's hailed as brilliant because it's open, but it's poorly implemented to a fault. I argued in another thread that Facebook Connect was the technology to bet on. It's closed, but i…
Just curious, what's poorly implemented about Clickpass?
Nothing, actually. It's the best one there is.
That said, it works best when the receiving site uses the ClickPass button: without that, the login still takes longer than it ought to. With the button, it's as fast as Facebook Connect, but it has the downside that fewer users are using it, and that it offers no service BESIDE login. Facebook has an edge there, too, in that it offers functionality that users want to actively use, so FConnect is a logical extension rather than a brand-new concept.
Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet
#13I don't quite understand this. I may not be using OpenID correctly, but when I ask my users to login, they just pop in their OpenID URI (that is, their username--that's what it's labeled as on my webapps, and that's what it is) and get auto-directed through their provider's auth system, showing up as simply a two-second redirect. When they don't have an OpenID URI yet, I send them over to a provider I trust--right to their registration form--with the first part (their desired username) already filled in. How is this harder than normal registration? The only difference is that, when you aren't logged into the provider and you have to enter your password, it goes on the second login page, rather than the first. I don't even call it an "OpenID provider" in the FAQ, but a "security service." That's what it appears as to people: someone I've outsourced all the cryptography and password stuff to so I don't have to be smart about it.
Those that know about OpenID can use their own providers, but those that don't care won't have to think about it; they'll just use the one I pick (which is no worse than trusting me with their made-up-on-the-spot credentials, which is what they'd be doing otherwise anyways.) If they start caring, they can make a new ID with a provider they choose--I fully allow for account URI changes; it's not that hard to implement. In fact, the whole OpenID set-up for me was two library calls (discounting the fact that I had to hack the library itself to add in Simple Registration support, so I could automatically set users' nicknames to their OpenID accounts' nicknames on each login. It's discountable because I submitted a patch, so no one else will have to worry about it.)
Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet
#14Like Tedd Ziuba, I also didn't have an OpenID when joining Stack Overflow. Instead of becoming annoyed with OpenID (which, admittedly, I am), I became annoyed with Stack Overflow for requiring one. What I did was register my own domain (callna.me) and install Drupal 6 with the OpenID Provider module. Instant OpenID. Anyway, his post makes him sound like an idiot. It's a good thing comments are turned off on his post.
"What I did was register my own domain (callna.me) and install Drupal 6 with the OpenID Provider module. Instant OpenID."
So simple your grandma could do it eh?
Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet
#15This article seemed pretty weak. I didn't really see any arguments past his strongly emotional attitude towards OpenID.
Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet
#16Like Tedd Ziuba, I also didn't have an OpenID when joining Stack Overflow. Instead of becoming annoyed with OpenID (which, admittedly, I am), I became annoyed with Stack Overflow for requiring one. What I did was register my own domain (callna.me) and install Drupal 6 with the OpenID Provider module. Instant OpenID. Anyway, his post makes him sound like an idiot. It's a good thing comments are turned off on his post.
"What I did was register my own domain (callna.me) and install Drupal 6 with the OpenID Provider module. Instant OpenID." So simple your grandma could do it eh?
You seem to be missing the point of both Tedd's post and my response. Tedd's point is that it's hard to understand OpenID and implement it. My point is that it's easy.
Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
"What I did was register my own domain (callna.me) and install Drupal 6 with the OpenID Provider module. Instant OpenID." So simple your grandma could do it eh?
You seem to be missing the point of both Tedd's post and my response. Tedd's point is that it's hard to understand OpenID and implement it. My point is that it's easy.
Well the overwhelming point is that for the average user, OpenID solves nothing, confuses them, and offers no benefit. It also does more harm than good IMHO opening the door to countless phishing attacks.
Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet
#18I don't quite understand this. I may not be using OpenID correctly, but when I ask my users to login, they just pop in their OpenID URI (that is, their username--that's what it's labeled as on my webapps, and that's what it is) and get auto-directed through their provider's auth system, showing up as simply a two-second redirect. When they don't have an OpenID URI yet, I send them over to a provider I trust--right to…
I see Ted's point by trying to read your post about OpenID, even I don't get it.
Re: OpenID Is Why I Hate The Internet
#19This article seemed pretty weak. I didn't really see any arguments past his strongly emotional attitude towards OpenID.
Seemed pretty clear to me in how he explained the amount of extra effort he would have to expend as a user to get started with OpenID, and as a developer to support it. It's work.
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#20Wow. Someone who can curse a lot. Read the whole thing, and all I see is someone who's out of touch and can't express even their own vapid complaints in a logical or consistent manner.
It's because he's a Goon, swearing becomes a pretty standard element of discourse :-)