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The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark

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Re: The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark

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Can someone explain what OBS is? And yeah, some rando tried to trademark "Linux" some years back, lol. After a fair amount of hassle it ended up getting transferred to Linus Torvalds, which I guess was the best solution.

OBS is a live / real time compositing system. It allows you do to quite sophisticated overlays, transitions, etc. You can think of it as the open source version of what traditional tv channels use to do all their on screen stuff. It's a real gem of the open source world.

Re: The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark

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It costs less than $2,500 to file trademarks in the US, EU and UK which is plenty of coverage. OBS has received hundreds of thousands in funding, from YouTube, Twitch and Facebook as well as smaller patrons. Maybe $5,000 if you're talking about high-touch legal help or the trademarks are dicey.

OBS is the #10 most popular project on Open Collective[1] (plus other donations), so yeah, it is one of the top-earning FOSS projects that can afford it. [1] https://opencollective.com/discover

When StreamLabs came out with SLOBS, OBS didn't even have an OpenCollective or Patreon. They were still getting off the ground.

Re: The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark

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This is why it is important to trademark names in your FOSS projects

I would rather put the blame on Streamlabs for using the name without permission than on OBS for not having registered a trademark.

Yes, I mean even without Trademark this is fraud as they deceive the buyer of their product about what their product is.

Re: The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark

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Doesn't it at least protect you from someone else registering it and then suing you?

Not really. Registering, yes, but you can sue anybody at any time. You might lose but it doesn't prevent you from suing. If you hold a trademark you are obligated to defend it. If you don't others can void it.

> but you can sue anybody at any time

This is enough of a problem that anti-SLAPP laws have been passed in several jurisdictions. Those laws only go so far, though (and you still need to mount a defence of some description)

Re: The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark

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Including $50,000 from the owners of Streamlabs, Logitech

For what it's worth, Logitech made that contribution well before they bought Streamlabs

Maybe they too were confused and thought they were cutting a cheque to a subsidary, not a different OS project? ;)

Re: The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark

#57
This appears to be the trademark in question:

https://trademarks.justia.com/882/96/streamlabs-88296466.htm...

In response someone likely affiliated with OBS filed their own trademark, though that was abandoned:

https://trademarks.justia.com/884/36/obs-88436186.html

Re: The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark

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Ah, yep, you're right. Unfortunately, I apparently can't edit my comment to correct this. Lovely.

On HN, you can edit or delete comments for a little while after posting them, and after that they're locked in.

I believe the limit is two hours.

Re: The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark

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This is why it is important to trademark names in your FOSS projects

Very few non-corporate FOSS projects would have the funds to file a trademark, especially an international one considering one can be infringed from anywhere around the world. And time spent on filing would be time not advancing the actual project, unless a lawyer is hired, which makes it even more expensive. Even fewer would have the resources to actually pursue legal action if the trademark is infringed upon. This…

IANAL.

Trademarks don't need to be registered and many trademarks simply exist through active use.

However, your second paragraph is the key one. While trademarks don't need to be registered (and, in any case, trademark registrations are mostly on a country by country basis) it's pretty much on you to spend the money to defend your trademark if you want to do so. No one's going to do it for you.

Re: The OBS project has accused Streamlabs of copying their name and trademark

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This is why it is important to trademark names in your FOSS projects

OBS is probably well-known enough to have decent trademark rights just based on marketplace awareness [1]. You don't technically need a registered trademark if everyone recognizes your name (though it does help)

1: https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/united-states-strong-ri...

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