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Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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VAT evasion is widespread in certain countries (like Italy for instance), and pushing people to prefer electronic payments to cash is empirically the only realistic way to counter it, but there will always be resistance from small retailers until payment fees are low enough. The availability of electronic payments should be universal, I personally hate being forced to constantly carry cash on myself at all times. In…

Lost VAT revenue is not due to mom-and-pop shops offering a discount under the table. The vast majority of lost VAT revenue is due to organized VAT carousel frauds, also knows as missing trader fraud, where an organized groups of 10-20 people siphons tens of millions into their pockets through reimbursements of fictitious trades. It's one of the most lucrative fraud schemes there is, but if caught and convicted, the sentences are usually comparable to that of murderers. If not caught, the accomplices frequently try to assassinate each other in a sort of a sick tournament-style elimination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_trader_fraud

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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I really don't get why we accept this de-facto tax on the world economy by US companies. Amex, Visa and Mastercard are all based in the US, and all charge a (nowadays) non-negotiable fee on selling anything. Cash has many problems, and clearly won't work for online purchases, but at least small business owners could pay their employees "out of the till" at the end of the week, bypassing bank transaction fees and a fa…

Cash management is not free.

Unless a business is extremely small, extremely low margin or doesn’t want an electronic record of the transaction most businesses prefer not to deal with cash.

So you are back to a payments network. Those are very hard to bootstrap and are not free to run.

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Here's why: two debit cards, one for receiving money, one for spending money. Automated payment from the 1st one to the 2nd one once a month with a fixed amount you expect to spend in a month. Nothing to pay off, you're spending your own money, can't be overcharged, can't go below zero, if someone leaks your spending card they can't touch the majority of your money, no scummy business practices. Never owned a credit…

> Never owned a credit card, don't have the slightest wish to do so. Bizarrely, never owning a credit card will negatively impact your credit rating.

Such a broken system.....

I have to spend everything on a credit card, then when i get home from shopping 45 minutes later go and pay it off using a debt card.

Its so unfriendly for the consumer.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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Has this been confirmed by Amazon? I received this notice and another one last week about my payment method expiring for one Amazon service but not any of the others on the same card. I couldn’t confirm that one either and it had the distinct whiff of phish about it.

Yep, I had a direct email from Amazon this morning advising me that I could no longer use my Visa Credit card for orders.

"Starting 19 January, 2022, we will unfortunately no longer accept Visa credit cards issued in the UK, due to the high fees Visa charges for processing credit card transactions. You can still use debit cards (including Visa debit cards) and non-Visa credit cards like Mastercard, Amex, and Eurocard to make purchases. Please update your default payment method now, or add one of these new, eligible payment methods if you do not have one."

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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Bootstrapping a worldwide payment system is very, very expensive.

If anything, that's an argument in favour of the whole thing being government controlled -- it's clearly a natural monopoly with a large capital expenditure requirement and a comparatively minimal (as a percentage of transactions) ongoing charge required to continue to run it. I mean, it clearly doesn't cost Visa / MC any more to make a £/$/€45 000 payment than a £/$/€5 one – database writes are not cheaper or more e…

You are forgetting about risk management which does change based on the fixed point value.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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Quite the opposite in the UK, at least over the last 10 years or so. 99% of debit cards are Visa, and most people buying stuff on Amazon would be using a debit card, folks only really use credit cards for large purchases and things like travel, here. Even when it comes to credit cards, I would say Mastercard has like a large chunk - like 80% in terms of institutions (but who knows in terms of actual customers), I wou…

> most people buying stuff on Amazon would be using a debit card, folks only really use credit cards for large purchases Huh? I'm in the UK, have been an Amazon customer for over 20 years and have always used a credit card for everything. I didn't even know you could use a debit card, and can't see any reason you'd want to. Paid off in full every month, better consumer protection, what's not to like?

I am like you. I'm pretty sure we are the minority. Most people I know don't trust themselves with credit.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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Here's why: two debit cards, one for receiving money, one for spending money. Automated payment from the 1st one to the 2nd one once a month with a fixed amount you expect to spend in a month. Nothing to pay off, you're spending your own money, can't be overcharged, can't go below zero, if someone leaks your spending card they can't touch the majority of your money, no scummy business practices. Never owned a credit…

> Never owned a credit card, don't have the slightest wish to do so. Bizarrely, never owning a credit card will negatively impact your credit rating.

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Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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Fun fact: At M&S, 12% of payments taken online for delivery to London addresses are paid by Amex. The rest of the country? <3%.

Any idea why Amex would be so popular in London? I'd never even consider an Amex card due to my perception of it being something that many places won't even accept.

London has a much higher [wealthy] international populous than the rest of the country. Amex business model is all about having a card that is accepted globally, and comes with lots of nice perks for the [wealthy] traveller.

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>>one for receiving money, What do you mean debit card for receiving money? In what sense? >> Automated payment from the 1st one to the 2nd one Again, I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that. Payment from a debit card to a debit card? What?

Multiple bank accounts, each with it's own associated debit card

If you only have a bank account for receiving money, then you don't really need a debit card for that bank account.

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>>one for receiving money, What do you mean debit card for receiving money? In what sense? >> Automated payment from the 1st one to the 2nd one Again, I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that. Payment from a debit card to a debit card? What?

I guess he's trying to compartimentalize so that, if the spending account is compromised and depleted, the main-income one is untouched. Seems like a lot of work to do what CCs do automatically. I guess the upside is that crazy spending is impossible (well, if you make sure to forbid negative balances on the spending account) and it's impossible to accrue interest.

> well, if you make sure to forbid negative balances on the spending account

I'm unaware of a UK bank that will let you do this, so...

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