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Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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You must be an actual anomaly, like yeah, what you are saying makes sense, but you are the only person I've ever heard about who does that here in UK. Everyone I know, me included, just uses debit cards for purchases everywhere including Amazon. I have a credit card but I very very very rarely use it for anything.

Uk here, I use credit cards for everything. Used wisely, consumer credit is incredibly useful. Example: bought a 4k motorbike, dealer finance or savings drawdown would have cost me hundreds; slapped it all on an 18-months 0% card and am now slowly repaying it on my own schedule, at no extra cost, while happily riding the thing.

Exactly; with a credit card paid off monthly by direct debit and an interest paying current account, you're earning interest on your cash and not paying any on your purchases. What's not to like getting what's basically free money with a little bit of no-brainer arbitrage?

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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It is mind blowing that in 2021 we have a payment system collecting a fairly big percentage of the economy's output. I don't know for sure, but 2% over revenue could easily be about what the government collects in corporate taxes derived from that revenue.

In this case it's a consequence of Brexit. In European economic area those fees are capped pretty low.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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I cannot believe that Visa transaction overhead would be higher than Amex - there's something going on behind the scenes here. I don't think this is the end of it either, it smells like a negotiation threat. Visa have a larger market share overall (80%, including debit cards [1]) but Mastercard leads in credit cards. Amex has always been fairly niche because it's not accepted everywhere. [1] https://www.statista.com/…

There might be something going on with Visa in the UK. I've noticed that all the bank accounts I've had that used Visa for debit cards for many years all seem to have switched to Mastercard recently. Presumably they wouldn't overcome this much inertia unless there was a substantial financial incentive. If card issuers are finding that their costs are too high, chances are payment processors are as well.

On the other hand, a UK company called Wise (formerly TransferWise) has switched its issued debit cards from Mastercard to to Visa recently.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uk here, I use credit cards for everything. Used wisely, consumer credit is incredibly useful. Example: bought a 4k motorbike, dealer finance or savings drawdown would have cost me hundreds; slapped it all on an 18-months 0% card and am now slowly repaying it on my own schedule, at no extra cost, while happily riding the thing.

Exactly; with a credit card paid off monthly by direct debit and an interest paying current account, you're earning interest on your cash and not paying any on your purchases. What's not to like getting what's basically free money with a little bit of no-brainer arbitrage?

> an interest paying current account

What is this unicorn you speak of...? :) jk, I know some exist, I've just been irrationally faithful to a bank that probably does not deserve it anymore (coop)...

(But I keep my savings in an account that offsets against my mortgage, so I'm effectively getting a similar deal in practice by not accruing interest on that.)

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #2

I cannot believe that Visa transaction overhead would be higher than Amex - there's something going on behind the scenes here. I don't think this is the end of it either, it smells like a negotiation threat. Visa have a larger market share overall (80%, including debit cards [1]) but Mastercard leads in credit cards. Amex has always been fairly niche because it's not accepted everywhere. [1] https://www.statista.com/…

Amazon Australia has started charging 0.5% for Visa cards. In Australia a merchant can charge more for payment by credit card but only up to the actual extra cost they incur.

0.5% on Visa credit. Visa debit has no charge.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #67

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There might be something going on with Visa in the UK. I've noticed that all the bank accounts I've had that used Visa for debit cards for many years all seem to have switched to Mastercard recently. Presumably they wouldn't overcome this much inertia unless there was a substantial financial incentive. If card issuers are finding that their costs are too high, chances are payment processors are as well.

I think visa are increasing their fees from 0.3% (EU regs) to 1.5% here.

Huh, so the UK hasn't kept that law when leaving the EU? That's an odd decision!

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #43

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> most people buying stuff on Amazon would be using a debit card, folks only really use credit cards for large purchases Huh? I'm in the UK, have been an Amazon customer for over 20 years and have always used a credit card for everything. I didn't even know you could use a debit card, and can't see any reason you'd want to. Paid off in full every month, better consumer protection, what's not to like?

You must be an actual anomaly, like yeah, what you are saying makes sense, but you are the only person I've ever heard about who does that here in UK. Everyone I know, me included, just uses debit cards for purchases everywhere including Amazon. I have a credit card but I very very very rarely use it for anything.

> I have a credit card but I very very very rarely use it for anything.

But why? The credit card is strictly better isn't it? I thought the main reason people used debit cards was that they got one automatically with their checking account and just never bothered to apply for a CC, but that's not the issue for you.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #15

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Fun fact: At M&S, 12% of payments taken online for delivery to London addresses are paid by Amex. The rest of the country? <3%.

Any idea why Amex would be so popular in London? I'd never even consider an Amex card due to my perception of it being something that many places won't even accept.

Amex is more widely accepted in London, but thats a bit of a catch-22.

Amex also has many more premium card with annual fees , travel perks etc which might be more relevant for someone living in London.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

#139

This was from March about Brexit-related interchange rates on Visa https://news.sky.com/story/visa-to-hike-interchange-fees-for...

From the article:

"The move to increase interchange fees will bring it into line with MasterCard, its rival payments group, which announced a similar move in January"

So it seems that Visa rate trails the Mastercard one and they will be the same.

Re: Amazon to stop accepting UK Visa credit cards

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most people buying stuff on Amazon would be using a debit card, folks only really use credit cards for large purchases Huh? I'm in the UK, have been an Amazon customer for over 20 years and have always used a credit card for everything. I didn't even know you could use a debit card, and can't see any reason you'd want to. Paid off in full every month, better consumer protection, what's not to like?

Here's why: two debit cards, one for receiving money, one for spending money. Automated payment from the 1st one to the 2nd one once a month with a fixed amount you expect to spend in a month. Nothing to pay off, you're spending your own money, can't be overcharged, can't go below zero, if someone leaks your spending card they can't touch the majority of your money, no scummy business practices. Never owned a credit…

You could just automate payment of your credit card bill and get all those benefits plus more consumer protection.
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