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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN being tech oriented, thus male commenters tend to live in gender skewed cities. Bay Area, Seattle, etc for the 25-45 age range. Where yes some men might have harder time. But really there are approximately same amount of men to women in the dating/family making age group. Being normal, mildly interesting, and not a slob is all most men will have to do to find women to date. The reason a some men don't get dates on…

It might just be an artefact of dating sites/apps, but I think that GP takes that into account with the supposition (I don't know if it is/can be shown with hard data) that women on such sites don't even have to be particularly normal, or mildly interesting . It's also a bit of a catch-22. Say you want to become 'mildly interesting' (for the purposes of dating). So you quit video games after work, and you join some c…

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Re: Divorce does funny things

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I can say with great confidence - do not get married. Do not live in a common law state. You will very likely regret it immensely. If I had been legally married to my ex - I would’ve been raked over the coals. I could see myself being the man on that rig. She contributed nothing to our relationship (financially or emotionally) and I put her through college while she didn’t work or pay for anything. Yet, even if I sho…

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Re: Divorce does funny things

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I can say with great confidence - do not get married. Do not live in a common law state. You will very likely regret it immensely. If I had been legally married to my ex - I would’ve been raked over the coals. I could see myself being the man on that rig. She contributed nothing to our relationship (financially or emotionally) and I put her through college while she didn’t work or pay for anything. Yet, even if I sho…

I am sincerely grieved for you and your situation, and wish you find joy and perhaps re-discover trust for women in the future.

Hopefully it is not poor taste, but I do disagree with your advice. Yes, marriage comes with a great deal of risk, because it is codifying your love. Love itself is risk, though. As C.S. Lewis said:

> To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything and your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact you must give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid all entanglements. Lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket, safe, dark, motionless, airless, it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable. To love is to be vulnerable.

Yes, marriage opens yourself up to a great deal of potential financial damage. It also opens yourself up to a secure romance and friendship, where you can build a future based on commitment to one another. I far prefer to give my wife not just my love and companionship, but also my commitment, my future, and yes, my money. She does the same for me, and it is far more secure and stable than just a dating relationship which could end at any time for any reason. Divorce is way harder to go through than a simple breakup, for either party. Just the sheer effort of a divorce gives you stability, regardless of social, legal, and cultural implications.

Re: Divorce does funny things

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I can say with great confidence - do not get married. Do not live in a common law state. You will very likely regret it immensely. If I had been legally married to my ex - I would’ve been raked over the coals. I could see myself being the man on that rig. She contributed nothing to our relationship (financially or emotionally) and I put her through college while she didn’t work or pay for anything. Yet, even if I sho…

This forum is full of [potential] immigrants so a little warning for all of you laughing at American men. It can happen to you even if you got married abroad and so on completely different terms. In CA she can take not just half of your money but half of your money forever. EVEN IF YOUR WERE CAREFUL ENOUGH NOT TO IMPREGNATE HER!!! Your only defence will be to go back to the old country. So think twice about providing her with H-4.

Also, there will be no shelter to run to. No safe space provided by the government, no newspapers complaining about domestic violence against you or political campaigns for your rights. You'll be on your own.

And don't expect to recover from it. It will scar you for life. You'll probably reach a new low plateau in a few years but you former self or productivity will be gone for good.

Re: Divorce does funny things

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post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you wanted to defend laws against jaywalking then perhaps it would best to back it up with something other than an appeal to emotion, and - on HN of all places - an appeal against using scientific research . That's a tough sell if you ask me.

I'm impressed how you jumped from me using a reasonable commonsense estimate (deceptive people tend to be less trustworthy) to conclusion that I must be anti-science. Reminds of the droning crowds who claimed in March 2020 that masks don't work "because there is no supporting research".

> Do you consult arxiv every time you jaywalk?

What am I supposed to take from that? That you're for the use of scientific research here?

> Reminds of the droning crowds who claimed in March 2020 that masks don't work "because there is no supporting research".

Since you brought it up, maybe if you supported looking into the research more often you'd be aware of how little supporting evidence there is - not research, there's been research but it has failed to find the evidence you seem to believe exists.

From[1]:

> This recent crop of trials added 9,112 participants to the total randomised denominator of 13,259 and showed that masks alone have no significant effect in interrupting the spread of ILI or influenza in the general population, nor in healthcare workers.

> It would appear that despite two decades of pandemic preparedness, there is considerable uncertainty as to the value of wearing masks.

From[2]:

> Evidence from 14 trials on the use of masks vs. no masks was disappointing: it showed no effect in either healthcare workers or in community settings. We could also find no evidence of a difference between the N95 and other types of masks but the trials comparing the two had not been carried in aerosol-generating procedures.

> But what of the folk walking down the road, going to the supermarket or watching the ducks in the pond?

> The answer is simple: we do not know.

From[3]:

> Unlike other studies looking at masks, the Danmask study was a randomised controlled trial – making it the highest quality scientific evidence.

> In the end, there was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19.

> When it comes to masks, it appears there is still little good evidence they prevent the spread of airborne diseases. The results of the Danmask-19 trial mirror other reviews into influenza-like illnesses.

> But overall, there is a troubling lack of robust evidence on face masks and Covid-19.

They go on but I think that's enough, even for someone who appears to abhor research as much as you. If that's not the case then I suggest making yourself clearer in future rather than trying to pass off the blame through straw man responses.

[1] https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-...

[2] https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-masks-on-or-off/

[3] https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread...

Re: Divorce does funny things

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I can say with great confidence - do not get married. Do not live in a common law state. You will very likely regret it immensely. If I had been legally married to my ex - I would’ve been raked over the coals. I could see myself being the man on that rig. She contributed nothing to our relationship (financially or emotionally) and I put her through college while she didn’t work or pay for anything. Yet, even if I sho…

upvoted, happened to me, and I had two kids from her. The moment she knew she could do it, she used ALL the power the laws gave her, and until today I am harassed by her. Not worth it, never again. Marriage is the biggest scam we were miss-educated about.

Re: Divorce does funny things

#327

I can say with great confidence - do not get married. Do not live in a common law state. You will very likely regret it immensely. If I had been legally married to my ex - I would’ve been raked over the coals. I could see myself being the man on that rig. She contributed nothing to our relationship (financially or emotionally) and I put her through college while she didn’t work or pay for anything. Yet, even if I sho…

I am sincerely grieved for you and your situation, and wish you find joy and perhaps re-discover trust for women in the future. Hopefully it is not poor taste, but I do disagree with your advice. Yes, marriage comes with a great deal of risk, because it is codifying your love. Love itself is risk, though. As C.S. Lewis said: > To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything and your heart will be wrung and possibly…

Try to trust me when I say this - when you’re looking at many years of not having to work and you don’t even have to foot the lawyer bill to make it happen… it’s not as difficult as you think. It’s not a picnic but it’s not purgatory either.

If you were fortunate enough to marry a similarly earning woman then congratulations. Unfortunately - those are exceptional for this industry. At least where I am - it is rare to find a woman making $400K+/yr like I am. Even rarer that she’ll continue working after marriage - as many of the women I know who have made it that far end up giving up the gig and leave the husband to climb the rest of the career ladder to make up for the lost income.

Ultimately - your argument isn’t good. Your argument is “you should get married because getting divorced is so painful!” Why not just avoid divorce altogether?

I’ve seen enough loveless marriages. I put my fucking partner through college at an elite institution. I’m out well over $100K on that - and I didn’t even marry the woman. You don’t need to be married to support someone or to be giving.

Your marriage could end at any point. You just live naively thinking it won’t - but it can and it certainly could. There’s nothing stopping your wife from walking out the door and then filing for divorce. All that is different is that she needs to fill out a few forms or get you to pay for a lawyer - and the upside for her is immense. Hugely immense. Your earning for decades and half of your savings.

Re: Divorce does funny things

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I can say with great confidence - do not get married. Do not live in a common law state. You will very likely regret it immensely. If I had been legally married to my ex - I would’ve been raked over the coals. I could see myself being the man on that rig. She contributed nothing to our relationship (financially or emotionally) and I put her through college while she didn’t work or pay for anything. Yet, even if I sho…

You literally just described my first marriage.

Put wife through school, bought her a car while we were engaged (hers blew up). She didn't work for our entire marriage save but for the last year. She had this weird plan to "take all the money and leave me with all the debt" which she proudly told my brother.

Her plan was to run up our credit cards with daily expenses then take off with all the money in the bank accounts. Of course, that's not how divorce works.

The only thing that partially saved me was, she was too arrogant+cheap+stupid to get a lawyer who would have told her who things actually work. I don't want to be married to her, but I often wonder what would have happened if she had understood how divorce works.

I'm currently preparing a court action because she won't let me see our daughter-- despite me having taken care of her the entirety of covid.

Re: Divorce does funny things

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post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those skimming the thread, this analysis takes opportunity cost into account. It would seem women mostly "do worse" because they stopped working during the marriage. As far as net cashflows from one partner to the other post-marriage, it'd surprise me if it wasn't mostly flowing from men to women. But, honestly, that's almost entirely obvious from the fact that men mostly continue to work and women often stop.

Well, we heard your hypothesis. Let's see your study.

Haha well I wouldn't put too much weight on your "study", an article by the atlantic... Modern news channels / papers show extreme bias in their reporting and editorial content these days.

Re: Divorce does funny things

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I can say with great confidence - do not get married. Do not live in a common law state. You will very likely regret it immensely. If I had been legally married to my ex - I would’ve been raked over the coals. I could see myself being the man on that rig. She contributed nothing to our relationship (financially or emotionally) and I put her through college while she didn’t work or pay for anything. Yet, even if I sho…

Just get a prenup.
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