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Re: Office 2000 is good to go

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Post by CmdrKrool »

vb6sp6 wrote: post #72
endgame wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at old pictures of (say) Netscape Navigator. Despite having far fewer pixels we somehow had enough to label our icons. What went wrong?

Globalization happened English "250 views" = 8 chars wide German "250 mal angesehen" = 17 chars wide English "FAQ" = 3 chars wide Portuguese "Perguntas freqüentes" = 20 characters wide It isn't uncommon for english words to expand 200-300% when translated to other languages. I'd love to see a german, italian, or portuguese version of netscape to see how they fit those labels

> I'd love to see a german, italian, or portuguese version of netscape to see how they fit those labels

https://aware7.de/wp-content/uploads/Netscape_4.png

Doesn't look like a showstopper, at least for the specific toolbar icons that Netscape had.

Re: Office 2000 is good to go

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Post by GekkePrutser »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #61
jl6 wrote: post #56

Oh for the simplicity and consistency of Office 2000. I now live in the hell that is Office+SharePoint+Teams, where features churn at random intervals and nobody knows where anything is really stored. This is a real thing that happens to me regularly: Someone sends me an email with a spreadsheet attached. Except it’s not an attachment, even though it looks like one. Needless to say I can’t access it until I’m online.…

Everything I do is saved on sharepoint and onedrive. I don't know what the hell sharepoint is or how to access it or if it is even different than onedrive. but its happening at my institution so, hey. I always attach real docs to my emails though never the editable linky things, and I periodically rename my doc under different file names to preserve older versions, even though I've heard it keeps autosaved versions s…

OneDrive is pretty good but it's very picky about filenames. This is because of its SharePoint backend.

I found a workaround though: using an encryption tool like Cryptomator the filenames are also encrypted and any funky characters end up in nice acceptable-everywhere base64. Additionally Microsoft doesn't get to look over my shoulder. Win-win (I'm on Mac tough otherwise it would be Win-win-win :-) )

Re: Office 2000 is good to go

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Post by GekkePrutser »

miohtama wrote: post #59
Arrath wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We were recently notified that external USB storage will soon be banned, and to use OneDrive to transfer files. My question to IT of "Hey we have clients that explicitly only allow the use of their own (incredibly terrible) file transfer platform, and block OneDrive. We've been burning stuff to CD with a usb drive and hand delivering it, if you ban those wat do?" Got the form "this is how you use OneDrive" response b…

Sounds like an organizational issue in your work place. Usually these are the best dealt by changing the employer. They rarely get fixed from within the organization itself.

Making it impossible to work with clients also tends to lead to the loss of those clients and as a result changing one's employer due to the employer no longer existing :)

This includes the VPs in question so usually these things get fixed before it gets that far though. But not before everyone else in the org has had a chance to practice their facepalm skills though.

In other words I feel your pain :)

Re: Office 2000 is good to go

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Post by GekkePrutser »

abraxas wrote: post #28
spaetzleesser wrote: post #8

I believe some around 2000 Office and Windows reached their peaks of usability. They seemed to designed to get stuff done. Since then it seems they crammed more and more "intelligent" functions into the software that made them less predictable. I still don't know under what circumstances Windows Search finds things sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. Lately Outlook search feels random. Teams search is a complete mess…

> When I write stuff in Word, Word seems very opinionated and messes up formatting all the time This has been an issue with Word from its inception. This is because Word is broken at its core. The formatting is neither style based nor paragraph based. It's a weird mix. You can apply a style and then override it ad hoc creating a mess of a structure under the covers no doubt. I also heard horror stories about the nati…

> You can apply a style and then override it ad hoc creating a mess of a structure under the covers no doubt. I also heard horror stories about the native Word file format (at least in the days of Word6/Word97).

Yeah I really miss the source screen of WordPerfect. That was an amazing feature and if they added that to Word it would actually be worth it to upgrade for once.

Re: Office 2000 is good to go

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Post by GekkePrutser »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #98
phaedrus wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was explaining to one of my coworkers how back in the day with WordPerfect you could click "Show Codes" (or whatever the menu option was called) and view all the embedded formatting tags as text rather than WYSIWYG. This made it incredibly easy to fix formatting issues and see what was wrong with an unintended interaction of styles. As people who had only ever used (read: fought with) Microsoft Word, they were mind…

You can show codes in Word. They've just buried it about 12 layers deep.

Really? Where?

Re: Office 2000 is good to go

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Post by GekkePrutser »

baud147258 wrote: post #91
spaetzleesser wrote: post #8

I believe some around 2000 Office and Windows reached their peaks of usability. They seemed to designed to get stuff done. Since then it seems they crammed more and more "intelligent" functions into the software that made them less predictable. I still don't know under what circumstances Windows Search finds things sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. Lately Outlook search feels random. Teams search is a complete mess…

What I find the worst about Teams' search is how it can find individual messages, but not the context surrounding them! So you can find the question you asked 6 months ago, but not the answers! And no way to go back to a precise date in the past (or I haven't found it) and scrolling too quickly is buggy. Between my two work computers, I have different versions of outlook and between the two, Microsoft seriously screw…

This... It is so annoying. Especially as we use teams for longer now and looking back manually is really unfeasible now.

Re: Office 2000 is good to go

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Post by GekkePrutser »

chris_wot wrote: post #44
makecheck wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and I’m terrified by the “new” UI Outlook keeps prompting me to “try”, knowing that one day the old one will probably just go away. The new UI takes up way more space and completely messes up my preferred split-screen approach (e.g. instead of working in a 50/50 layout, the new UI basically forces the split to be more like 70/30 with less useful stuff on screen ).

I just can’t work out how to turn off “focused” inbox. I want me mail, and all of it!

It's there fortunately. I also turn off threaded and focused modes because they make it too likely I miss something.

Re: Office 2000 is good to go

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Post by GekkePrutser »

jankotek wrote: post #24
spaetzleesser wrote: post #8

I believe some around 2000 Office and Windows reached their peaks of usability. They seemed to designed to get stuff done. Since then it seems they crammed more and more "intelligent" functions into the software that made them less predictable. I still don't know under what circumstances Windows Search finds things sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. Lately Outlook search feels random. Teams search is a complete mess…

Win95 had very strict and consistent UI style. Office2k and Win2k were peak of this consistency. After that came WinXP and mismatch of inconsistent UI styles.

Yeah what doesn't help is that dialog windows from that era are still in Windows 11 today... Especially around the settings.

Re: Office 2000 is good to go

#109

Post by GekkePrutser »

CmdrKrool wrote: post #101
vb6sp6 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Globalization happened English "250 views" = 8 chars wide German "250 mal angesehen" = 17 chars wide English "FAQ" = 3 chars wide Portuguese "Perguntas freqüentes" = 20 characters wide It isn't uncommon for english words to expand 200-300% when translated to other languages. I'd love to see a german, italian, or portuguese version of netscape to see how they fit those labels

> I'd love to see a german, italian, or portuguese version of netscape to see how they fit those labels https://aware7.de/wp-content/uploads/Netscape_4.png Doesn't look like a showstopper, at least for the specific toolbar icons that Netscape had.

"Verwandte Objek" seems cut off, it should be "Objekte" but other than that it aligns pretty well.

Ps my German is basic so perhaps I'm wrong

Re: Office 2000 is good to go

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Post by bwat48 »

baud147258 wrote: post #91
spaetzleesser wrote: post #8

I believe some around 2000 Office and Windows reached their peaks of usability. They seemed to designed to get stuff done. Since then it seems they crammed more and more "intelligent" functions into the software that made them less predictable. I still don't know under what circumstances Windows Search finds things sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. Lately Outlook search feels random. Teams search is a complete mess…

What I find the worst about Teams' search is how it can find individual messages, but not the context surrounding them! So you can find the question you asked 6 months ago, but not the answers! And no way to go back to a precise date in the past (or I haven't found it) and scrolling too quickly is buggy. Between my two work computers, I have different versions of outlook and between the two, Microsoft seriously screw…

Yeah the teams search drives me crazy, I can find the comment I'm looking for, but it's impossible to find the thread with all of the important context if it's too old

reminds me of this:

https://xkcd.com/979/

Only denvercoder9 is myself!

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