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Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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The parent comment to the subject of my response established the scope of this discussion as including legacy media in general, one comment invoked the NYT, and I can bring up another publication as well. The general point is that there are plenty of subtle ways to present/disseminate new that allows bias to seep through. In this example the WP reported it in the least effective way possible - as an edit to an existi…

> The parent comment to the subject of my response established the scope of this discussion as including legacy media in general, one comment invoked the NYT, and I can bring up another publication as well. I suppose you can, but your comment needed a better transition to make it clear what you were doing. The original comment brought CNN's coverage of a topic (in an unverifiable way) to make a general claim that "ma…

> What else would you have them do?

The video was public well before Grosskreutz admitted to drawing his weapon at Rittenhouse as he approached him, the Facebook post after the incident was known about. They should’ve informed their audience of these facts more so than they were informed of Grosskreutz’s fear of his life, however the latter was the most broadly disseminated piece of info by being a headline item. “Video shows Kenosha shooting victim drawing gun as he was shot” was not a headline, “Kenosha shooting victim testifies” was not the headline and would’ve been a less blatantly biased choice.

It’s very simple. A WP reader is more likely to find out from being their audience that Grosskreutz feared for his life than the other facts that I’ve mention that are much more interesting and critical to the case, and it’s by design

> and you quoted that link but started randomly talking about a Washington Post headline without even mentioning the publication's name

I did not quote the NYT link. The name of the WP is in the url that I posted. Sorry I didn’t make clear the context

> That's obviously false, since the claim is incoherent when applied to your example. If it were true, why would they have bothered to correct the headline?

It would’ve been worse had they been completely silent of that part of the testimony, I agree. It would’ve been harder for me to verify though, that a publication mentioned it not even once, so I choose this example to save time. But no, your response completely missed my main point, they don’t have to not update it, dissemination of a certain piece of information in terms of its reach can be diminished without it reaching zero. Statements can be used push a false narrative without being outright untrue. There are more tactful ways to mislead than simply lying, obviously. Edit: To answer your question, to enable the defense that you’ve just made

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#582

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Honestly I'm surprised how closely the scenes here match typical movie trials, though I understand that it's unusual for the jury to be removed from the courtroom during closing arguments because the state's attorney makes a mistake. And then get removed again literally 10 seconds later because the state's attorney does the same thing again.

What were the mistakes?

Started to talk about things not in evidence in his rebuttal, then did it again approximately 3.4 parsecs after the jury came back and sat down again so they had to get up and leave again after the judge stopped the prosecutor again. Overall the rebuttal was poorly delivered, very unconvincing and the prosecutor even accidentally managed to argue in favor of the defense a few times. I've seen more logically cohesive talks in fifth grade.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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> Gaige Grosskreutz, who admitted on the stand that Rittenhouse did not fire until Gaige's Glock 17 was pointed directly at Kyle's head I've more or less read that fact on NYT though. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/us/kyle-rittenhouse-gaige... > “So when you were standing three to five feet from him with your arms up in the air, he never fired, right?” Corey Chirafisi, a defense lawyer, asked. > “Correct,” Mr. Gr…

The NYT still provides quality reporting. But most of their readers stop after the sensational first couple paragraphs and never make it to paragraph 23 where they actually say what really happened. It’s a clever example of what Mark Rosewater calls lenticular design. The low information crowd gets their emotional fix from the headlines and early text and quits there while the Times’ more thoughtful readers get the f…

> The testimony underscores the prosecutors’ challenge in disproving a self-defense claim.

In medium font just below the headline.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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That is almost certainly what happened. Google's systems are lazy and automatic, reading into it further is trying to create patterns where none exist. Chances are he got mass reported for whatever dumb thing, valid or not, and Google's system tripped without any human review. This after all is the same company and system that banned influential YouTubers for impersonating themselves, after all.

> without any human review Therein lies the problem.

Oh yes. Googles capriciousness and utter lack of customer service is a very bad combination. I actually moved off Gmail because I feared getting banned for some bug and not being able to get my email back.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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The protests days before this were against the police. This night it was all rioters who showed up just to cause trouble

As MLK said, a riot is the language of the unheard. Even if what you say is true, it sort of supports the point rather than refuting it. These people feel as though the police aren't listening to them.

That applies to the protestors maybe. Not the people Rittenhouse was dealing with.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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I think at this point we can just expect this stuff. The ridiculousness of it, though. The rekieta law stream (which is fantastic , btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7YXd2M5E-8 ) has anywhere from 4-12 active lawyers giving commentary and context to everything that is happening. This is exactly the type of thing we dreamed about when we were first creating the internet. However: often times these smaller independ…

Considering the streams are back up, this seems more like a failure of automation and reporting tools than a grand conspiracy.

For how long will we excuse this kind of activity with "oops automation"?

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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> It says "intended to be used" right there in the law. It also says "in the manner it is used or intended to be used". > Would you charge a shove exactly the same as stomping on someone's face? In Colorado, a simple shove would be third-degree assault, while stomping on someone's face would be first-degree assault. > Same crime category doesn't mean same punishment. I would charge a big skateboard swing as worse tha…

> It also says "in the manner it is used or intended to be used". Yeah but I'm worried about the part before any misuse. > Guess what? Both a fist and a skateboard can be classified as assault with a deadly weapon! Cool, then saying someone was 'armed' is extremely meaningless. Which is what I really cared about here. I commented specifically because I didn't like the description of 'armed'. I don't care about what l…

> Cool, then saying someone was 'armed' is extremely meaningless.

‘Armed’ means they were carrying a weapon. That’s not meaningless. How have we come full circle here?

You’re welcome to disagree with the dictionary, the law, and the rest of the world, but there’s absolutely zero point in us debating your unique, novel, pedantic, and most likely disingenuous position further.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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> It also says "in the manner it is used or intended to be used". Yeah but I'm worried about the part before any misuse. > Guess what? Both a fist and a skateboard can be classified as assault with a deadly weapon! Cool, then saying someone was 'armed' is extremely meaningless. Which is what I really cared about here. I commented specifically because I didn't like the description of 'armed'. I don't care about what l…

> Cool, then saying someone was 'armed' is extremely meaningless. ‘Armed’ means they were carrying a weapon. That’s not meaningless. How have we come full circle here? You’re welcome to disagree with the dictionary, the law, and the rest of the world, but there’s absolutely zero point in us debating your unique, novel, pedantic, and most likely disingenuous position further.

If fists count as a deadly weapon, which makes someone armed, then calling someone armed is misleading and meaningless because 99% of people are armed.

Pointing that out is not disingenuous!

And it's not disingenuous for me to earnestly use the definition of weapon I'm being told to use, right? Nobody seems to like my definition of weapon.

I swear I'm arguing in good faith.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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It's probably worth doing more than just looking at video titles before you describe a complex topic as being "right-wing."

The topic may be complex, but there's no guarantee that any given channel on YouTube will do that topic justice. This channel's fulsome praise for James O'Keefe suggests to me that they will not.

It's possible for a source to praise someone you disagree with without needing to dismiss that source entirely. Plenty of channels give fulsome praise to controversial figures like Shaun King or Rachel Maddow but that wouldn't stop me from hearing out what they have to say.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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It's very sad to see how people blame and thrash services like youtube instead of respecting the fact that all of it is provided absolutely free of cost.

I'm quite sure that I'm actually paying for YouTube.

I wonder what the average family YouTube bill would be if Google charged AWS egress fees...
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